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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Prisons and Prison Policy

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

That is your evidence. When we built Kilmarnock and Addiewell prisons, they took four years to complete. Is that right?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prisons and Prison Policy

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

I am sorry to dwell on this. Obviously, I do not know anything about the design of prisons—no, I know a little bit about it because I remember the design of Addiewell and Kilmarnock and how it was changed to make prison officers’ lines of sight easier. Does it take three years up and down the country to design a prison? Would it be the same in England or Wales?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prisons and Prison Policy

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

Lastly, I ask Teresa Medhurst to answer that question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prisons and Prison Policy

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

My question is why it has taken so long. Why would it take to 2025-26? Is that just how long it takes to build a prison? It seems an extraordinarily long timetable. That means that, for five years, until we imprison fewer people, the largest prison in the estate, which is over capacity, will still take the wrong prisoners—it is meant to be a short-term prison but it is taking long-term prisoners—and we will not be able to get prisoners out of their cells. What is the explanation for why it will take until 2026? I thought that it was 2025, but now you are saying that it is 2026.

Criminal Justice Committee

Covid (Justice Sector)

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

In that case, I put the same question about the role of the defence and the depletion of talent to Ken Dalling.

Criminal Justice Committee

Covid (Justice Sector)

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. As my colleagues have done, I put on record my commendation of all the services and organisations for their incredibly hard work in getting through the crisis.

I found the submission from the Faculty of Advocates helpful in setting out and identifying what practitioners thought would be helpful to keep and what would not be helpful to keep. That will be a central issue for the committee as we examine how to go forward. In the section about the backlog of trials, the faculty talks about the role of the defence and how the “depletion of talent” might impact on what seems to be good progress in dealing with the backlog of trials. Would Tony Lenehan like to expand on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Covid (Justice Sector)

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

So, the Faculty of Advocates—

Criminal Justice Committee

Covid (Justice Sector)

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

If you have followed my lines of questioning, you will know that I have always made it clear that I am interested in fairness to the accused. That is why I was interested in the role of the defence.

I have other questions about prisons and the police, but I will wait to see whether there is time for those at the end of this session.

Criminal Justice Committee

Covid (Justice Sector)

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

Sorry, but I just want to be clear on that point. I appreciate that, up until this point, the approach that has been taken has been necessary. However, the extension might still exist in the future—it might be put into legislation so that it becomes permanent. Are you saying that the Faculty of Advocates does not have any concerns about the remand figures or about the impact on witnesses should the time limits be further extended?

Criminal Justice Committee

Covid (Justice Sector)

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

My next question, which follows on from that, is probably best addressed to Tony Lenehan and Eric McQueen. Do you have any concerns about the extension to time bars to account for the Covid period? I have put on record my concerns about that. I appreciate that, during the crisis, the initial extension was necessary. However, that has meant that there have been significant delays to trials. The remand figures in Scotland have been commented on internationally as being unacceptably high. I am sure that Kate Wallace of Victim Support Scotland would point out that the measure has also had an added impact on victims.