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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 November 2023
Pauline McNeill
Yes. I am really struggling.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 November 2023
Pauline McNeill
Yes, I am learning, but, to be candid, it is not fair for the committee to be left with the perception by the Government or the SPS that the timeline just moves all the time. I know that it is complicated, but, up this point, it feels that there is some smoke and mirrors when we try to pin down anything at all on a project that is meant to be a priority. That is all that I am trying to press you on.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 November 2023
Pauline McNeill
Does that mean that the anticipated date of 2026 is not a real date any more? Is that just fluid?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 November 2023
Pauline McNeill
I want to make sure that I have understood what we are being asked to do. The Government set out its position in the debate on the extension of time limits due to coronavirus. I think that you also said that there might be a requirement to review the situation in 2026. Does that mean that you have to come to the committee with an SSI each time you want to extend by a year? I am trying to understand the procedure.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 November 2023
Pauline McNeill
Good morning. In response to Sharon Dowey’s line of questioning, Teresa Medhurst said that Kilmarnock has a one-tier staffing structure whereas SPS has two tiers. I was aware of that, and I think that one of the reasons why Serco said that they ran HMP Kilmarnock more cheaply than SPS was that it did not have the same grading structure. Does that mean that the figures that you have outlined incorporate going to a two-tier structure? Presumably, that will be a lower pay or higher pay structure.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 November 2023
Pauline McNeill
Will we just wait and hear when that work is done?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 November 2023
Pauline McNeill
As a lay person, I do not understand why there could be such a delay in the design of a prison. We have built prisons before. Is there some requirement to build something different here? Why would it take until April to finalise the design before you can put something in the ground?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 November 2023
Pauline McNeill
I really do not doubt that. I am just trying to understand it. Is it 2026, that—
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 November 2023
Pauline McNeill
There may not have been the same urgency in other projects. Here, as we have discussed many times, prisoners are putting up with what is a human rights disgrace. I am passionate about this issue, because I am a Glasgow MSP, so I say this openly. I am horrified that in west central Scotland we have people on remand sent to Barlinnie. I do not even fully understand all the complexities of the issue, but I am deeply concerned that it seems to be taking an eternity to build a prison. We have built a lot of prisons before now. I cannot understand what you are telling the committee. Is there something special about this design? I am struggling.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 November 2023
Pauline McNeill
So why do you not? Deep down, I do not understand what the problem is. The design is not going to be available until April. What does that mean in practical terms? When you get the design, does that mean you can go ahead and build it and how long does that take, roughly?