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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I have a final question. The current tripartite arrangement was established to comply with European Union law. Now that the United Kingdom has left the EU, can you set out whether the Scottish Government is free to redesign the delivery framework, or are you looking to maintain alignment with EU competition laws? There is also the potential that the original decision was a judgment call, and perhaps you can revisit how much alignment with the EU you would need to maintain. Basically, how much freedom do you have to take decisions that you want to take, or do you have one eye on making sure that we are not subject to any future—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you. That was a bit of a diversion, but I thought that I would ask about it.

Do any of you want to let us know anything else about skills, such as what you would ask for or what you need? This is your chance.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

We talked earlier about the corporates being able to help to develop the SME base in respect of business opportunities and training. Will that be a shared responsibility? Will corporates such as you and others that you work with do that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. You have talked about labour shortages, so I will leave that to one side. I want to focus on skills development, in particular. I will ask the business organisations first.

We need to time the development of skills in the supply chain to meet what we know future needs will be. How do we develop new skills now, even though they will not be deployed now but will need to be deployed in the future? The conundrum is that, if we do not do that now but wait five years, the skills that we will need will not be available, and the supply chain is such that other countries and manufacturers elsewhere will benefit from our domestic capability and potential.

I will come first to Hisashi Kuboyama, then to Liz McAreavey. What is your perspective on how we can bridge the skills gap and ensure that we are building our skills base? What does that mean for SMEs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

There will be a skills gap in five years, but graduates coming out now need jobs. They cannot hang around for five years.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I will ask something completely different, if that is okay. You talked about the importance of the Acorn project. Parliament’s Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee did an inquiry last year that was very supportive of that on a cross-party basis. The development of hydrogen will be interesting. We do not necessarily see it being within the heat network, and we know that the UK’s decision on hydrogen is not due to be made until 2026. Do you see an opportunity for the area—people and housing in Grangemouth—to use hydrogen as a heat source as part of that community’s just transition? What does the community get? Is that within scope?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

We have heard examples from Edinburgh and Leith, but we are focusing on Grangemouth. Is the model that you have just talked about in existence or in development in Grangemouth, or does that need to be pushed?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

You have all spoken about schools and colleges, which cover young people. However, obviously, there is an existing workforce in the area. You talked about your employees sometimes having 15-plus years of experience. What engagement have you had, or will you have, with the existing workforce to identify whether skills in it can be adapted or reskilling is required? Is the work with the trade unions a joint arrangement to develop the sight line for those employees as individuals?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I want to take us back to the weather and to Robbie Drummond. We have received a submission from the Mull and Iona Ferry Committee—you will not have seen that, but we are happy for you to respond to it once you have had a chance to see it. The Mull and Iona Ferry Committee has looked at freedom of information data from CalMac over the past 22 years and Met Office analysis of wind recordings, and it has said that the number of weather-related cancellations in comparable winters has increased by around a factor of 10.

Bearing in mind that safety and the decisions of masters are absolutely paramount, the Mull and Iona Ferry Committee’s reflection on the engagement with CalMac is that there are issues relating to the tracking of the weather experience and whether there has been a significant decline, the potential of external factors, tighter regulation, a more litigious environment, and a fear of prosecution of masters. There might be other forces that are perhaps leading to a more restrictive view of whether it is safe to travel.

11:45  

We also heard that on our visits. Anecdotally, people reflected that, in the past, masters would perhaps have sailed, whereas now they do not.

Feel free to come back to us once you have seen the submission, but do you have any reflections on changing behaviour and who is looking strategically at whether that is really happening? Do you acknowledge that that is happening? Where does that put masters’ decision making? Are they taking more conservative approaches because of the changing nature of potential issues around legal challenges, for example?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Is there any reflection from NorthLink Ferries? You said that weather is less of a disruption for you. Do you have any comments about masters’ judgments and changes in the law over the past 10 to 20 years?