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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Okay.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I want to look ahead to what will come next, after project Neptune. There is a variety of strategic thinking on ferry operations, procurement and asset ownership at various points and in different arrangements, and there are different options on the table. How do you know that Transport Scotland is doing its job?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

The witnesses will know that we heard from representatives from Norway. Although Norway is different from Scotland—it is more coastal and we have the islands experience—I was struck by their forward-thinking approach. Norway is operating with new technology; it is about to deploy a hydrogen vessel and has automatic berthing in some ports. I was also struck by its iterative procurement process that is close to market and incentivises innovation.

I understand and appreciate that CMAL has gone through challenging times in the past, and that to switch to a different approach and culture requires resources, support from Government and long-term strategic thinking about how innovative we want our sector to be. What are your reflections on what that would take? We can make recommendations in our report to the Government as to the type of ferry scenario that we want. It is about strategic thinking, a joined-up approach and trying to reduce the use of roads and cars rather than building vessels to take more cars—for example, why are we not thinking about end-to-end traffic? Is there something about the Norwegian model that attracts you and that you think Scotland could aspire to, and what would it take for us to achieve it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Just very briefly, on that point, my constituency is in the West Lothian area. It has had poor take up, which might reflect the fact that it is a semi-rural area. You can get from east to west on a train, but trying to get from north to south, taking timing into account, is different. My young constituents say: “What is the point of having the bus pass when I can’t use it?”. That kind of forecasting will have to take place, so my appeal is that you do not look only at rural areas, because there are some very central semi-rural areas—I expect that Lanarkshire might be similar—that should be specifically examined.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Can I explore what you mean by independence? Independence from whom to deliver what?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

It would be very helpful if you could update the committee on that—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Just to develop your point about the strategic focus, I know that Transport Scotland is also in the mix, which has resulted in the triangle that, as people will know from the evidence that we have taken, can be seen as being overcomplicated. If CMAL and CalMac were to come together, would that put greater onus on Transport Scotland to have the expertise with regard to accountability? How does that relationship work? Would Transport Scotland’s remoteness potentially be a problem if there were to be a merger?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Finally, how is CMAL preparing for the end of the current Clyde and Hebrides ferry service contract in October 2024, which is only 18 months away?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Clearly, greater strategic analysis is needed. At the end of the day, the masters will decide whether a vessel sails, but this will be the reality for the future. Does there need to be more strategic thinking across all our ports? We should bear in mind that not all of them are CMAL assets; local councils own ports and there are other ownership models. As a country, we are so dependent on our islands and coastal communities, so rising sea levels and worse weather will have a major impact. Should the Government look more closely at how we future proof that whole asset base? Is there a danger that if CMAL, understandably, just looks after its own asset base, our thinking might not be as joined up as it might be when procuring vessels that need to operate at different harbours?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Are you open to a different arrangement whereby some of the strategic thinking might lie within the Government, particularly as a lot of it is about wider connectivity and net zero issues? Some of Transport Scotland’s strategic work could well overlap with some of CMAL’s current functions. Are you open to thinking about different approaches to ensure that we have the required governance and accountability, potentially informed by what the committee recommends?