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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

It is in the committee’s interests, convener.

The Energy Bill is important, but there are obviously issues with it, and I am pleased to hear that you have been talking with different stakeholders separately or together with the Scottish Government. The committee has looked at the bill and has produced a report on it and the legislative consent memorandum.

One of our concerns, which we have also reflected here today, was about the importance of investment in infrastructure, especially the speed of decision making and deployment of that investment. In paragraph 71 of our report on the bill and the LCM, we talk about the combination of the Energy Bill and the Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill giving powers to the environment secretary to make decisions. The Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs is a UK minister, but environment itself is devolved. We are therefore concerned that the

“overlapping matrix of rules, obligations and permissions”

could have a “chilling” impact on investment, which none of us would want to happen. I do not know whether this is your direct responsibility or whether it is a subject for today’s discussions, but is that on your radar? After all, it is in everybody’s interests that decisions are made promptly and securely.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

That is fine. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

We have had hydro for a long time, and, as you will be aware, there are significant proposals for its expansion in Scotland that are being held up. You said that talks are going on, but the proposals are being held up. Is there an understanding of the need for pace—which we heard about from your colleague—and flexibility to ensure that we have access to this fantastic resource?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Finally—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I have another follow-up question. You said that the UK Government had rejected the proposition in the House of Lords to give Ofgem a statutory responsibility to achieve net zero. Given that decarbonising energy is essential to achieving net zero—and that achieving net zero is essential to tackling climate change—why would you not? It would be quite helpful if you could give us, on the record, your rationale for currently rejecting that amendment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I will not refer to that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

The independent just transition commission has suggested that effective communication requires the plans to be co-designed, which has to be a two-way process. It is important to demonstrate that stakeholder feedback can lead to policy changes, so will the Scottish Government seek to do that through the co-design process for the just transition plans? For Grangemouth, who would you define as the stakeholders?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

What about the stakeholders?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Who is the cabinet secretary with responsibility for the just transition plan for Grangemouth?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

We welcome the fact that we are taking a place-based approach to Grangemouth. Others might want to touch on the prospects for the transition of the site itself and whether the industrial processes can move into the hydrogen sector and the Acorn project, for example. However, all things being well—with the industrial site being able to transition—it could effectively do that in parallel with, or in a separate universe from, the community itself.

Focusing on the community of Grangemouth, we know from previous consultations that one of its key concerns is transport. If everything is successful, we will be expanding the number of jobs at Grangemouth, but that will bring in more cars because public transport in the area is not what it should be. There is no rail link, although there was one in the past. There is quite a serious point to consider about what success looks like and how transport will be critical.

Housing will also be critical. We have been told that, if local businesses that are not on the industrial site but are in Grangemouth are to benefit and grow, they will need more footfall, which means making sure that people live in the area. There is also the challenge of having the quality of housing to attract people and make them want to live there and spend what, we hope, will be their good wages.

To what extent will the just transition plan address those issues? They are quite independent of the transition of the industrial site, but we already know that they are challenges from the many consultations about Grangemouth that have been carried out.