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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

Decarbonisation is a long-term project. It is not even a three-year timescale; it involves a longer time period. Kerry Twyman might want to comment on how, over the piece, the Scottish Government manages an annual transport budget—obviously, we get annual allocations—when a lot of what we have to consider concerns big-budget issues that must be dealt with over not only the next three years, but the coming five or ten years.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

There are improvements and changes. We have talked about the fleet replacement, which is important in terms of that north-east investment. We have talked about the selection process, which has concluded and has identified improvements there. However, on project timelines, I think that it was said in January 2024 that the timescale for the delivery of the commitment to deliver journey time improvements and increase capacity between Aberdeen and the central belt was under review. The position is the same as it was a year ago, so it is not a new reflection that there are challenges in the timescales. That was reflected to the committee in 2024. I cannot remember whether you were a member of this committee a year ago, so I apologise if that is news to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

There are different options, including electric trains with a better battery, that would allow some decarbonisation when we do not have full electrification. Across Scotland, that is exactly the territory that our officials are exploring.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I am not sure what has been communicated to the committee about the timeframe for that, so I will check. If we need to update—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I hear what you say. All lessons will be learned and your advice is much appreciated.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

The modal shift revenue support scheme is not in the budget, but the freight facilities grant is. The freight facilities grant is a larger amount—about £4 million, I think, but I can be corrected—that is for modal shift from road to rail and, potentially, to water as well. It is a bigger amount.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

In a carbon market, there is an issue around how we can try to reduce climate change emissions. Even if we wanted to do that, the question is whether Scotland would have the powers to do that under the current devolved Administration arrangements. Even on a UK basis, could that be done in a way that would not be to our detriment through unintended consequences and retaliatory action? That is the international issue of markets in relation to imports, exports, tariffs and so on.

I think that it is going to become an increasingly live issue if the world collectively gets serious about what it is doing to reduce emissions.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I have made it clear that the 2035 target for electrification and decarbonisation of the railway will not be met but that the target of 2045 will be met. Depending on what type of fleet replacement we have, that procurement will allow us to determine exactly what you are asking about and to spread the investment. The industry has told us that it would prefer to have a pipeline of investment.

Those of us who lived through the EGIP project will know that the disruption for regular rail commuters is substantial, and we see that at the moment in East Kilbride. A major electrification and enhancement project is currently taking place in East Kilbride and the line will be closed for a substantial amount of time. It will benefit everybody once it is done, but we have to plan for it. We are alive to the need to spread the investment and the disruption over a period and, depending on the procurement level, to de-risk it from being as disruptive as it might otherwise be. That is why the 2045 target makes more sense than the 2035 target.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

We have increased funding in the ferries line for a variety of reasons.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I can tell you that £4 million has been paid out generally to local authorities, and there is £18 million this year.