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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Lorna Slater

In previous evidence sessions, we heard from representatives of business and so on that they feel that they have a good understanding of the duties of business as regards reaching net zero, the wellbeing economy, the circular economy and the new kid on the block: being nature positive. However, I am not sure that that is what I have been hearing on the ground. I would love to hear from you guys how well you think Scottish businesses understand their duties in all those spaces, because that is quite a lot for them to take on.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you. The committee’s role is to look at the potential structures, as opposed to any particular commissioner’s merits, because they will be decided on by the Parliament.

We have discussed how effective committees are in scrutinising SPCB supported bodies—how much time and bandwidth they have to spend with those bodies—but we have mentioned that several SPCB supported bodies do excellent work on really important things that is not fed into the Parliament at all. I am not even sure that we are using the bodies that we have effectively, in either direction. Do you have any thoughts about that?

Parliamentary committees are already having trouble scrutinising the SPCB supported bodies that we have. If there were more bodies, the committees would be spread even thinner. Equally, are you concerned that SPCB supported bodies are not having their fantastic work fed back into the Parliament? Would not the creation of more commissioners just make the level of scrutiny worse and reduce effectiveness?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Do Sarah Boyack or Jeremy Balfour have any comments?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Several of the office-holders from whom we have received evidence have talked about audits. Indeed, the issue has come up frequently, and everyone has said that audits are important and that the scrutiny is both welcome and valuable. However, several office-holders have noted the issue of audit being proportionate, with some saying that they are audited twice a year and others saying that they also have an office or departmental audit, which in the process becomes part of a larger audit. It means that there are audits upon audits.

In previous evidence-taking sessions and written submissions, a discussion has arisen on whether there should be a single audit for all SPCB supported bodies. We understand that that would require legislative changes, but will you elaborate on the potential benefits and challenges of such an approach?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

In that case, there might be room to look at how the process could work in a more streamlined way, so that it is still effective but does not feel quite so burdensome.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I have a question, convener, but only if there is time for it.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

However, there might be some scope for officers to share internal audit functions and related matters.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Are you aware of existing examples of shared audit services or functions in the public sector that could serve as a model for SPCB supported bodies, as you discuss in your written submission?

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

There is absolutely no doubt about the importance of the topics for the proposed new commissioners, but our discussion is about how we can most effectively represent those interests. Someone might be old, disabled, a victim of crime and neurodivergent, so separating advocacy roles might make it harder for people to get the support that they need, because they might not know where to go.

For the record, I note that the office of the Children and Young People’s Commissioner, which has been held up by you and other witnesses as an example of best practice, predates the Scottish Human Rights Commission and has a substantially different remit under the legislation. In their evidence, the SHRC and the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman described frustrations about the limitations of their roles under the legislation. Instead of creating new commissioners, why do the proposals for improved advocacy not include legislative changes to redefine the roles of existing bodies to give them powers that are more like those of the Children and Young People’s Commissioner?