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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Lorna Slater

Is there pushback on the budgets that you set, or is the process generally a technical one?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Does anyone else want to come in on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Lorna Slater

I am interested in the theme of workplace learning. I am continually surprised and slightly horrified by how far the UK is behind North America on things such co-oping in engineering programmes. I do not know how familiar you are with such things. When I studied engineering at my university—and this was common in universities all over North America—my degree took five years, but it took me seven years to graduate because, for two and half of those years, I worked in industry, paid by industry, and not at the minimum wage but at junior engineering rates. When I graduated, not only had that had some impact on my student loans, but I had two and half years of experience, and I was offered two jobs in my first week in the UK.

The model in North America is that universities partner with industry, which knows that the model exists and gets engineering students for a chunk of time—four months, eight months or a year—so that those students are able to complete an entire project. It is quite common for engineering companies to say, “Brilliant. We need a new thing, so we’ll get some co-op students in the summer to deliver that project for us.” It is a long-term partnership, and it means that we do not have the juggling act of graduate apprentices being here for three days a week and there for three days a week, which makes it difficult to fund lectures and difficult for students to plan their lives and their transport to work—all those ordinary logistics.

In terms of flexibility for institutions, is the North American model being looked at? Should it be, or is it not right for the UK? How do we make the workplace learning better here?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Lorna Slater

I will not ask everyone to come in on every question if they do not have anything to add.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Lorna Slater

I will ask a few different questions, if the convener will indulge me. I will start on the point about careers advice, which we have just been covering, and move on to the flexibility of the system. I will then close on apprenticeships, because I know that some of my colleagues have questions about those.

We have touched on some of the solutions to the joining-up problem that Sandy Begbie highlighted, whereby we have this enormous potential and need for skills opportunities in Scotland but both young people and mid-career transitioners are not finding them or are not aware of them. In my younger days, when I was a young STEM ambassador—I am an electrical and mechanical engineer—I went into schools to talk to kids about engineering. I would show them pictures of the work that we were doing, and it was very far removed from their experience, especially in more deprived areas. The kids had aspirations to be dog walkers; they could not imagine themselves operating machinery, let alone designing it. There is a gap midway between jobs requiring a master’s degree in engineering and being a dog walker, which we do not seem to be filling.

I have frequently heard criticism about careers advice. Sandy Begbie said that it is patchy, and Paul Campbell said that the DYW co-ordinators are not there. Is that the missing piece of the puzzle? How important is that work?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you very much. I will hand back to the convener and let other members pick up on the subject of apprenticeships.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Okay—so it is the same.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Lorna Slater

I hear that Jack Norquoy is looking for projects managers, so I will pop my CV through.

We have been hearing from employers about their frustration with the inflexibility in Scotland’s skills system, particularly in colleges, because college courses are offered only at certain times of the year and colleges cannot keep up with technology. Lothian Buses, for example, uses private training providers because the colleges do not have hydrogen buses for the apprentices to practise on. How can we make our college and university sectors flexible enough to provide the workforce that we desperately need?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Who funds those? Who pays the student’s wages?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

No, that is fine. The second part was about transparency and accountability, and I think that you covered that—unless you want to add more detail.