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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sue Webber

That was nice and short. I like short, succinct questions from my colleagues.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sue Webber

Mike Corbett wants to respond as well.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sue Webber

We will move on to questions from Stuart McMillan on the theme of resources.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sue Webber

We have spoken a lot about training, and I noticed that the submission from the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland said that there is a

“Lack of political will, technical knowledge and capacity in implementing the right to inclusive education, including insufficient education of all teaching staff”,

which, as we have heard, can include the support assistants that Sylvia Haughney mentioned.

In terms of developing the skills and tackling the increase in the number of pupils with what Peter Bain called mid-range issues, how often should training be taking place, what should it look like and should it be mandatory? We have heard that, sometimes, even though opportunities to access training are provided on in-service training days, people can avoid that training because it is not mandatory.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sue Webber

I would like to challenge you a little bit on that. Earlier, we spoke about the challenges around de-escalating issues in classrooms and the fact that, if teachers were better able to do that, it would be better for pupils’ wellbeing. Therefore, should that training be mandatory, given that it would help the overall delivery of education for everyone, including the teaching staff?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sue Webber

I mean that they could identify the needs and get someone to provide the training to address those needs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sue Webber

I am sorry, but I need to stop you there. In this role, I have my eye on the clock, and we still need to cover a whole lot of stuff.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sue Webber

Stephanie Callaghan, is there anything that you want to pick up on?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2024 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have apologies from Ruth Maguire and Ben Macpherson. I welcome Stuart McMillan, who joins us as a substitute member of the committee. Our first item of business is to invite Mr McMillan to declare any relevant interests.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Sue Webber

Agenda item 2 is our first formal evidence session as part of our additional support for learning inquiry, which starts today, during which we will consider how the Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004 has been implemented and how it is working in practice, 20 years on.

In our inquiry, we will focus on three themes: first, the implementation of the presumption of mainstreaming; secondly, the impact of Covid-19 on additional support for learning; and, thirdly, the use of the remedies that are set out in the act. Today, we will focus mainly on the first and third themes.

I welcome, in no particular order, Susan Quinn, who is convener of the Educational Institute of Scotland’s education committee; Mike Corbett, who is national official, Scotland, at the NASUWT; Peter Bain, who is executive headteacher at Oban high school and Tiree high school, Tiree primary school and Lismore primary school, and president of School Leaders Scotland; Matthew Cavanagh, who is representing the additional support needs committee of the Scottish Secondary Teachers Association; and Sylvia Haughney, who is education convener at the Glasgow city branch of Unison Scotland. I welcome you all and thank you for the written submissions that you provided ahead of this meeting.

We will move straight to questions from members. Michelle Thomson, who joins us online, will kick off the session.