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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

I am afraid that you are straying into a question that has been allocated to another member for later.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

We certainly heard questions in some of our informal sessions about whether that presumption is good either for the person who has the additional support for learning need or for other children. We have been hearing lots of evidence about that, but I am not sure whether you can respond on that point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

It is interesting that, even with all the changes that you have made, local authorities still submit evidence that gives the perception of there being a conflict between parties.

I will bring in Liam Kerr, who has the final question on that aspect.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

I thank May Dunsmuir for her evidence.

The committee plans to take further evidence on its inquiry in the coming weeks and will then produce a report based on what it has heard, with recommendations for the Scottish Government.

That concludes the public part of our proceedings. I now suspend the meeting to allow our witness to leave, after which the committee will move into private session to consider our final agenda items.

11:21 Meeting suspended until 11:33 and continued in private thereafter until 12:11.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

Before I proceed any further, I welcome Stuart McMillan to the meeting, as a substitute for Michelle Thomson. Good morning, Stuart.

Is the committee agreed that it does not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

Thank you very much, everyone.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

The next item on our agenda is an evidence session on the additional support for learning inquiry. This is the third formal session on the inquiry, which will consider how the Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004 has been implemented and how it is working in practice, 20 years on from being enacted.

We will focus on three themes throughout the inquiry: the implementation of the presumption of mainstreaming, the impact of Covid-19 on additional support for learning and the use of remedies, as set out in the act. Today we will focus mainly on the third theme, but we will likely touch on the first theme, too—we do tend to stray a little bit as a committee.

I welcome May Dunsmuir, president of the health and education chamber of the First-tier Tribunal for Scotland. Good morning and welcome, May. Thank you for coming, and thank you for the written submission that you provided ahead of the meeting, which has given us a great platform for our discussion.

I will move straight to questions from members, starting with Willie Rennie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

I know that this is a bit like ping-pong, but Stephanie Callaghan wants to come back in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

I am sometimes very protective of Bill Kidd so, if you do not mind, can we leave that subject for now and allow the member to ask the question later?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

You have been very good this morning, May, but we are drawing towards the end of our session.

You have talked about two parties being quite some distance apart and how, prior to them coming to the tribunal, there is a process to try to bring them closer together. In some of our other evidence, we have heard about some of the challenges and about how the tribunal process can be seen as pitting two parties against each other. How could the dispute resolution process be changed to reduce perceived, or real, conflict and to support better working between families and local authorities?