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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

That goes back to the convener’s point about the purpose of the bill.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

I know that we have covered a bit of this in some of the discussion already. You have spoken about how the recall process works in other countries. The bill that Graham Simpson is introducing broadly seeks to replicate the principles and design of the Recall of MPs Act 2015. Does the experience to date of how that act has worked in practice suggest that it is a good approach? Dr Stanford, you said that there had been only four by-elections and six petitions. I will come straight to you, if that is okay.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

That is okay—I get that.

Dr Stanford, you said in your written submission that triggering the recall process could be

“open to abuse by what can be considered a ‘good reason’ for an absence. Such a move would need considerable safeguards to protect against highly concentrated pressure groups with vested interests”.

We all feel that on a regular basis; it seems to be how the world is working right now.

Dr Clark has already said a wee bit about the thresholds, but are the proposed criteria for triggering the recall process appropriate? Should other criteria be set to balance it all out?

I put that to you first, Dr Stanford.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

I like the term “casual vacancies”—I am enjoying that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

We will come to questions on vacancies. Annabel Mullin, do you want to come in? I cannot remember what my original question was.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

As our evidence has shown, we are all aware that we have to accept that there is quite a difference in how we are elected as regional and constituency MSPs and, therefore, accept that how we progress in those circumstances will also be different.

The committee has received a lot of evidence that the cost of running the recall process for a regional MSP could be about £2.5 million. Is that cost justifiable, based on the additional accountability that the recall process is intended to deliver? What is the cost benefit analysis? You have already mentioned that there are seven other elected representatives for those individuals. I will come to you first, Juliet, because I have caught your eye.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

I think that it is for the recall process—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

Yes, it is for both.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

You said that there were a number of resignations before by-elections were triggered. Do you think that the process acts as a deterrent? You know what I mean when I say “deterrent”. It is almost a cost containment mechanism—the member knows that the game is up, to be blunt.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

Would the recall process that is proposed in the bill do a good job of balancing different considerations around the equal treatment of regional and constituency MSPs, considering how they are initially elected.