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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament

Supporting Carers (Cost of Living)

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Sue Webber

There is still an impression that Labour supports a national care service. With that, I will carry on with my speech.

The message from service users and people with lived experience is clear: it is local services that they want; it is local services that can adapt to the diverse nature of their needs; and it is local services and third party organisations that we should focus on and invest in. They are delivering the services that people want.

Labour supports the plans for a national care service, despite organisations such as the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and the Fraser of Allander Institute voicing serious concerns.

The SNP’s plans amount to a blatant power grab. Costly new legislation and centralised structures are not the solution. That is why the Scottish Conservatives would offer a local care service, which would protect individual choice and individual control.

Meeting of the Parliament

Supporting Carers (Cost of Living)

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Sue Webber

Not at the moment.

Our local care service would include a local care guarantee, which would ensure that support was delivered as close as possible to the people who need it, especially in rural and island communities.

We want positive action to be taken. We would give further powers to the Care Inspectorate to drive up standards of local care. A wider scope of powers should be considered to promote sustained improvement of poor care services over time.

We would build minimum pay and terms and conditions into commissioning and procurement, as the Feeley review recommended. We would make care a rewarding career path and would ensure that commissioned services rewarded length of service and positive job performance with pay progression and development of the skills base and responsibilities.

We would institute rigorous workforce planning for the future. A robust, transparent data set to underpin that work can be developed without a national care service. Ours would be not merely a workforce plan that was affordable, but one that was based on forward capacity planning carried out by people who deliver the services and those who access them.

We would improve the carers allowance and extend payments. We would do that by introducing a taper rate so that carers do not lose 100 per cent of their allowance if they earn £1 more than the £128 per week limit. We would also extend payments of carers allowance to up to six months after bereavement and would allow carers in full-time education to continue to receive the carers allowance.

We would amend the Carers (Scotland) Act 2016 to give unpaid carers automatic rights to support for breaks from caring. Right now, only around 3 per cent of unpaid carers receive statutory support for breaks from caring.

The UK Government’s health and social care levy delivers a clear union dividend. In 2024-25, Scotland will benefit from an additional £1.1 billion because of the health and social care levy. We are calling on the Scottish Government to guarantee that that fund will be passed on and ring fenced in full.

Although we welcome the UK Government’s cut in fuel duty, we consider that the mileage reimbursement for care workers should be temporarily increased by 5p per mile, based on the cost of fuel, as has been agreed for NHS workers. Most importantly, it should be funded by the Scottish Government.

Meeting of the Parliament

Supporting Carers (Cost of Living)

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Sue Webber

Yes, I will.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Sue Webber

Minister, you have mentioned the issue of workforce retention and recruitment. With a quarter of staff in the care sector leaving within the first three months of joining an organisation, what more can be done to stop that from happening and to keep those people in their roles?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Sue Webber

That is fine—thank you.

We have heard you speak about the ethical commissioning of care, and we also know that, sadly, services are commissioned and people are almost shoehorned into what is available and what services are there, rather than services being developed for them. How can we turn commissioning on its head to make the individual the centre of decision making?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Sue Webber

Can I move on to commissioning now, or are we still on workforce? Sorry, but there is such an overflow of questions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Sue Webber

Minister, you said that your intention is to increase spending on social care during the current parliamentary session by 25 per cent. Where is that money coming from? There could be up to £1 billion in so-called new money from national insurance consequentials. Is the intention that that money will be ring fenced? Will it be over and above that 25 per cent?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Sue Webber

I have one more question on the workforce. Is that okay? It is a very quick one.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Sue Webber

I am leading on the next theme, on commissioning, so I will not drill down any further, but I have one more question—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Sue Webber

I have a couple of things to ask you, minister. Thanks very much for coming along. It is nice to meet your team face to face at last.

You spoke about discussions with COSLA. When you are doing that procurement and commissioning exercise, is there scope to include minimum pay and terms and conditions? Could that be built into the procurement and commissioning of services to allow us to help the workforce on that?