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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the fourth meeting of the Education, Children and Young People Committee in 2023. We have received apologies from Michael Marra and Ross Greer.

The first item on our agenda is evidence on the Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill. Two panels of witnesses are joining us today, all of whom are appearing virtually. I welcome our first panel of witnesses: Lee-Anne McAulay, the headteacher of New Struan school, representing Scottish Autism; Andy Miller, the strategic lead for participation and partnership for the Scottish Commission for People with Learning Disabilities; Jenny Miller, the chief executive of Promoting a More Inclusive Society—PAMIS—who is representing the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland—the ALLIANCE; and Rebecca Scarlett, senior policy and information officer for Linking Education and Disability Scotland—LEAD Scotland.

We have a lot of ground to cover, so we will move straight to questions. Committee members will probably direct questions to specific witnesses, but witnesses can also make a note in the chat function or put their hand up if they want to come in on a question. I can see you all quite clearly.

We will start with questions from my colleague Ruth Maguire.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Sue Webber

Nicole Kane—in fact, both of them would.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Sue Webber

I will follow up on a specific transition issue that we heard about on Monday evening.

Dr Stark, you mentioned the level of intensity and expertise that is in your paediatric services but that, when a young person transitions on to the adult services, there is a bit of catch-up or they do not know where to go. We heard specifically about audiology and how a young person had the latest technology in relation to their hearing aid and all the systems, but that, when they went to adult services, the young person had to train the professional on how to use those systems. Do you get the sense that that is replicated across the country? Is that the case only in audiology or is it the case in other services?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Sue Webber

That reflects some of Nicole Kane’s earlier comments on long-term change and firefighting.

We are at stage 1 of the bill, which is why we are here today. You have looked at the bill. Could you expand on aspects of it that you would change, if you had the opportunity?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Sue Webber

My colleague Bob Doris—I am looking at him to catch his eye—might have some questions that will drill down into that.

Dr Stark, do you have any comments on what might change in the bill? If you do not, we can move on to Nicole Kane.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Sue Webber

Andy Miller, are you able to answer that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Sue Webber

No, you have covered those points.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Sue Webber

No one else wants to come in on that question. We have covered a lot of ground, so I thank the witnesses very much. As ever, we have to compress everything at the end and it feels a little bit tight for time.

We will now suspend for around eight minutes to allow for the change of witnesses.

10:48 Meeting suspended.  

10:55 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Sue Webber

Welcome back. I am sorry for the slight delay. We will now take evidence from our second panel of witnesses on the Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill.

I welcome Dr Kandarp Joshi—I apologise if I have not pronounced your name correctly—who is a consultant from NHS Grampian and vice-chair of the child and adolescent faculty of the Royal College of Psychiatrists in Scotland; Nicole Kane, policy and public affairs lead Scotland at the Royal College of Occupational Therapists; and Dr Mairi Stark, Scottish officer at the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.

Members will direct a question to one of the witnesses initially, but, if anyone else wants to come in, they should please feel free to put R in the chat box. The first group of questions is from my colleague Ruth Maguire.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Sue Webber

A lot of ground was covered there. The witnesses might find that there is a bit of overlap with topics that will come up throughout the evidence-taking session. I apologise for that.