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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Sue Webber

This is the section of discussion that we have been anticipating will be a little bit lengthy, and I am sure that all members will want to contribute. My question will be quite open, to allow you to expand as much as you can.

Clearly, much of the concern is around the mechanism of the regional poll process that is provided for in the bill and the practical concerns or challenges that we need to be cognisant of. There is a lot to consider in that. Convener, you mentioned the specific challenges that a large region would face, but, being an Edinburgh-based Lothian girl, I contest that some of the cities might have different challenges that are equally challenging.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Sue Webber

My questions are about the mechanisms for removing an MSP and they are all for Jenny Brotchie, so Sarah Mackie can sit back and put her feet up for a bit.

The bill provides that there should be a process for removing an MSP if they fail to physically attend the Parliament for 180 days. This committee would be involved in taking a view on whether such an absence should be classed as a valid reason for removal. Does that process raise data protection and privacy issues that the committee should be mindful of?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Sue Webber

No, it is not you. Annie Wells coughed as you were speaking.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Sue Webber

You mentioned that members of the Parliament have to understand that there is a valid reason, but it is equally important that members of the public understand that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Sue Webber

With complexity comes cost and all sorts of resource pressures.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Sue Webber

That draws us back to your earlier comment about the proportionality of costs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Sue Webber

I understand where you are coming from, cabinet secretary, but I point out that the key word in the amendment is “desirability”. We want inspections that are ultimately of use to the establishment and, indeed, the teachers, so that they can learn from them and improve the school or the educational establishment in question. Will you comment on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Sue Webber

My two amendments in the group serve to make clear what an inspection plan should consider. Right now, it could be argued that it is as simple as whatever is in the “How Good is Our School?” document. However, that is now 10 years out of date, and we are looking for something that will bring a bit more rigour in the standards against which establishments will be evaluated. That is why my amendment 175 seeks to add the words

“including indicators of quality and improvement”.

That wording aims to bottom out the standards against which our establishments will be evaluated. We want there to be indicators of quality and improvement within an inspection framework against which an establishment’s performance will be evaluated and then reported on.

In amendment 177, I have further expanded that with the addition of what I would like to make clear is what I define as a rigorous and evidence-based inspection. Members will note that it states what the type of inspection activities could include, so there could be other things, but we want there to be interviews, observation, data analysis and questionnaires with stakeholders. Importantly, we also want evidence to be provided that can be analysed, assessed and then triangulated to reach conclusions to form a report on the quality of the provision as determined by that inspection framework.

More importantly, using that sort of analysis will mean that we can also measure improvement from that. That is what my two amendments are here to do—to allow us to have a clear starting point and to measure progress and improvement in the establishments.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Sue Webber

I thank Stephen Kerr for explaining the purpose of amendment 170. I want to reflect a bit on what the committee spoke about earlier in relation to the frequency of inspections, the culture of inspections and how they are perceived by the teaching establishment. We are trying to shift the dial and allow people to have a much more positive view of inspections, so that they see the opportunity that inspections can present to everyone and so that there is, as the amendment states,

“the desirability of carrying out inspections that ... are detailed”

and

“consider all areas of work”.

The amendment is about considering how an inspection affects the quality of learning, teaching, assessment, leadership, support for learning and ethos of a school. Ultimately, that will impact on every learner in a school. The amendment aims to shift the dial so that inspections are viewed and presented in a much more positive manner.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Sue Webber

Yesterday, the First Minister said in his statement:

“More cancer patients are now treated faster. Compared with a decade ago, 16 per cent more patients receive care within the 31-day standard and 11 per cent more within the 62-day standard.”—[Official Report, 6 May 2025; c 11.]

However, the reality is that prostate cancer outcomes in Scotland have fallen significantly behind those in England. Cancer staging is the same on both sides of the border. Despite national health service spending being higher per person in Scotland, more than one in three men are diagnosed at stage 4, which compares with only one in eight in London. That gap is staggering and unacceptable.

Can the cabinet secretary tell us when men in Scotland can expect the same chances of early diagnosis, which helps to save lives, as those who live elsewhere in the UK?