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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Sue Webber

Greg Dempster would also like to comment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2023 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have received apologies from Ruth Maguire and Willie Rennie.

The first agenda item is an evidence session with a panel of school leaders and representative organisations to understand how the curriculum is being delivered within the current framework and policy landscape. We will also look at the impact on the ground of recent reports and announcements.

I welcome, in no particular order, Peter Bain, executive headteacher of Oban high school, Tiree high school, Tiree primary school and Lismore primary school, and president-elect of School Leaders Scotland; Greg Dempster, general secretary of the Association of Head Teachers and Deputes in Scotland; Barry Graham, headteacher of Wallace Hall academy in Dumfries and Galloway; Graham Hutton, general secretary of School Leaders Scotland and former headteacher of Grove academy in Dundee; and Pauline Walker, headteacher of the Royal high school in Edinburgh.

We will move straight to questions, and the first questions will come from me. We are interested in learning a little more about the freedoms and support that you have right now to make decisions about your own schools, and we would like to gauge whether there is a consistent picture across the country and in all sectors of education. That is an opening question to get you talking and sharing your experiences. I will start with Graham Hutton.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Sue Webber

You will have an opportunity to go into more detail on that when answering some of the later questions—I know that some of this is a bit prescribed. We are just digging down into whether you feel that you have the freedom and support right now to make decisions about your schools. It is great to hear that you are making those decisions about your learners.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you for those responses. I suppose that this is a bit more of a specific question and you may not all wish to answer it. How do you determine the knowledge content of the curriculum that you are presenting? How could national documentation support better integration of different types of the knowledge that you have spoken about in that curriculum for excellence?

Who would like to go first on that? Peter, you caught my eye. I always do that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Sue Webber

Mr Withers, at the outset of the session you mentioned how, at the beginning of your review process, people were not really talking about AI but that, now, it is all that they are talking about. As your review is sitting there, I am curious to know how adaptable it is to the pace of change that we see happening externally.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Sue Webber

You have lots of opportunity to make lots of points, Mr Withers. You are okay. Carry on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Sue Webber

I will bring in Greg Dempster first, to mix things up a bit.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Sue Webber

I apologise to Peter Bain, but we must move on to Stephanie Callaghan.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Sue Webber

Greg?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Sue Webber

Does anyone else want to comment?