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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Do you have any concerns, or see any potential problems, with the conflict between the methodology in the bill, which is effectively direct, and the representative element? Should we be concerned enough to say that we should never let the two mix, or are you confident that there is scope for both in proportion?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

It is not a dynamic that we are used to in our democracy.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Following on from that, I would suggest that absence is an example of a potentially political, internal or behavioural choice by an MSP. I do not sense strong disagreement to that view, but there is a range of views from the witnesses as to whether it should be included in the bill as a trigger for a recall process. Someone is bound to suggest that to me, so I will seek your views independently of this place.

It goes back, in part, to Emma Roddick’s point about proportionality. Should the bill consider what happens if an MSP chooses to change or leave their political party—or, to give an entire view of the matter, if they are expelled—or, again, should the internal mechanics of this place deal with that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

If it is short.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

I welcome everyone to our second evidence session. Annabel Mullin, director of communications, Elect Her, joins us online. In the room, we have Juliet Swann, nations and regions programme manager, Transparency International UK, and Willie Sullivan, director, Electoral Reform Society in Scotland. Good morning and welcome to you all. If you wish to answer a question—as I always say, there is no necessity to do so—type R in the chat if you are online, or indicate to me if you are in the room, and I will bring you in. We continue to be joined by Graham Simpson, who is the member in charge of the bill.

We will kick straight off with questions. I will start with an overarching question: do you support a recall mechanism for MSPs?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

I will go to Juliet Swann.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

My next question flows on from that one. Part of the issue is the public understanding of what the bill is about. What sort of public awareness measures do we need to have in place for the bill to work successfully? How do we ensure that people do not misunderstand the process and potentially apply a very personal, and maybe even personal political view towards someone, rather than seeing it as a step that is taken because behaviour choices have fallen below a level that we think is acceptable for an elected member?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

To push back on that slightly, you are talking more about the requirement for an educated electorate. There are challenges in that area, particularly in circumstances that involve the views of disabled or ethnic minority candidates.

You also talked about schools. Is there anything in the recall system proposals that education should specifically target, or is it the case that, actually, unless everything else is put right, that would be blowing in the wind, so to speak?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

If the MOT applies to all vehicles even through they are different, that gives confidence.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Graham, do you have questions arising from any of that?