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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

The member will accept that there is an existing structure that covers the qualifications that the SCQF Partnership provides for. I do not disagree with what his amendment seeks to do, but, if we solidify that existing framework in primary legislation, is a challenge not that, as we develop needs and expectations and as new qualifications come along, it might be bound by a language that, as we have discovered with education in Scotland, very quickly becomes antiquated and, indeed, might prevent some of the development that the member and I are seeking to achieve for our young people in the form of qualifications and parity of qualifications across the board?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Is it not the case that, however challenging the question, once it is answered, it is answered and people can move forward from that? The idea behind the amendments is that having a unique learner number and an agreement to share data will benefit all the other inquiry requirements that both bodies, whichever is chosen—I hope that one of them is—take forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Am I right to infer that the cabinet secretary shares my concern about our being unsure about what the assessment landscape will look like in future, and that retaining the level of versatility allowed by the framework instead of defining all this to the nth degree in primary legislation would be beneficial and would meet what a number of members have indicated is their desired goal?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

My apologies if this is an ill-founded attempt at an intervention, but my concern with amendment 60 relates to aspects that both John Mason and Liz Smith have highlighted. With regard to the role of parliamentary committees, they are a structure of the Parliament, for the Parliament. Ross Greer has rightly pointed out that a number of external agencies respond to the Parliament—specifically, to various committees. Does he have a concern that, if his proposed route were to be adopted, every committee would be required to adopt it for everyone who answers to them? That will shift the fundamental reason for having committees in the Parliament, which is that they are, at a high level, advisers on the minutiae of what the chamber should decide.

I understand why Ross Greer lodged amendment 60, and I acknowledge the challenges that have existed with the non-response that this committee and its predecessors have had to their requests. However, we are potentially opening up Pandora’s box that will give us significant problems further down the road and cause us to fail on more levels.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I am grateful. That proposal, with the relevant reassurance, would be an excellent way to move forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

The cabinet secretary will be aware of the challenge that those outside this place have faced in trying to seek enforcement of the UNCRC rights, particularly with regard to a challenging definition that seems to be doing the rounds, with regard to how legislation that is tainted—I think that is the phrase that was used—and clearly excludes the UNCRC has arisen. The purpose behind the amendments was in no way to add a higher level to the rights, but to formulate a reminder of their existence and, more importantly, to give a vehicle that might be required, which I think is lacking in the bill.

I realise that it is a complex matter that goes beyond this bill. If the Government is prepared and kind enough, we can engage on how we can ensure that the UNCRC rights are more explicitly supported for those who are outside this space, either through the bill or in some other way.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

On the route that Ross Greer is articulating in his amendment, the challenge that someone who is undertaking qualifications might have in contributing to that is part of the wider discussion that can be had on membership and input.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is interesting, because my next question is on the committee’s statement of purpose, which exists at Westminster but is probably even more developed in the Senedd. What is that statement’s role, and is it Parliament wide? Should we perhaps consider committee-level statements of purpose in the Scottish Parliament?

I ask Diana Stirbu to answer first. I know that a lot of work is being done on that in the Senedd. Do you have a view? How do you develop such a statement?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I think that Diana Stirbu wants to comment, too.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I certainly do not think that that sounds creepy. I think that every committee member is glad to have that support.

I thank the witnesses for what has been a fascinating and, at times, in-depth discussion. If you have any subsequent thoughts, please reach out to the clerks as our inquiry goes on. Thank you for your contributions and evidence.

10:56 Meeting continued in private until 11:19.