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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Martin Whitfield

Thank you. Do members have questions for Jamie?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Martin Whitfield

I close the public part of the meeting.

10:11 Meeting continued in private until 11:11.  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Martin Whitfield

That is excellent.

Thank you for attending the meeting. The committee will formally consider whether to approve the application for recognition under the next agenda item, and the clerks will be in touch with you once that decision has been made.

We will now consider a proposed CPG on rugby development in Scotland. I welcome Douglas Lumsden, who is the proposed convener of the group.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Martin Whitfield

Thank you very much. Do any members of the committee have questions for Douglas Lumsden?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Martin Whitfield

Be careful who you poach.

The School of Hard Knocks, which has rightly been spoken of very favourably, and the Scottish Rugby Union are the two organisations that are named. I assume that you will look to other organisations for input. I was thinking particularly about the club level.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Martin Whitfield

One of your first submissions was about bringing together two former CPGs to create a full and wide voice. I will now presume rather than assume that the list of organisations is not finite and that other groups, organisations and voices that need to be heard will find favour and be listened to when the CPG produces a report.

There are a number of questions from the committee, you will be glad to know, Graham.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Martin Whitfield

Thank you. Collette Stevenson is joining the committee to replace Elena Whitham. I thank Elena for her work with the committee and seek the committee’s approval to write to her to thank her for the time that she spent with us. Is that agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Martin Whitfield

Excellent—thank you.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Complaint

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Martin Whitfield

We will now move to agenda item 2 in the second meeting in 2022 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee.

The committee has been considering a complaint about a former member of the Scottish Parliament. On behalf of the committee, I will now read out a statement that sets out the committee’s findings.

The committee has considered a complaint from Mr Joe Lo about Alison Harris. The complaint is that Alison Harris did not appropriately register the true market value of the shares that she held in Georgian Finance Company Ltd in the register of interests.

The committee is unanimous on the decision reached on the complaint. The committee cannot concur with all the findings in fact of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland and does not agree with the commissioner’s conclusion.

In relation to the commissioner’s findings in fact, the committee does not consider that the valuation of the market value of the shares in Georgian Finance Company Ltd secured by the commissioner can be deemed to be the definitive market value of the shares in the context of the code of conduct. Indeed, the committee highlights that material included in the commissioner’s report illustrates that experts can have conflicting views on the market value of the shares in private limited companies because different methodologies can be used to determine that.

The committee was cognisant that the code of conduct for MSPs does not provide a definition of market value, and nor does it prescribe any methodology for ascertaining the value of shares. However, the code states:

“On detailed financial and commercial matters,”

a member

“may wish to seek advice from other relevant professionals.”

Alison Harris indicated in her representations to the committee that she had sought the professional opinion of the company’s accountant on the market value of the shareholding, which she interpreted as being nil due to her being unable to freely sell her shares.

In relation to the commissioner’s conclusion, the committee does not agree that there are sufficient grounds to conclude that there has been a breach of the Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament Act 2006 and the code of conduct.

Alison Harris registered an interest in shares on the basis that she held more than 1 per cent of the nominal value of the issued share capital of the company. She did not, additionally, register those shares on the basis of the market value exceeding 50 per cent of a member’s salary at the start of the relevant parliamentary session, because she ascertained the shares to have a market value of £1.

Although the committee recognises that a fair observer might reasonably consider the market value to be higher, there were conflicting expert views on the market value of the shares. In addition, the committee could not draw on either a definition of market value or a prescribed method for reaching a market valuation within the code to reach an incontrovertible conclusion that the market value of the shares exceeded the threshold. For those reasons, the committee does not consider that it is in a position to reach the conclusion that a breach of either the act or the code has taken place.

The committee recognises that there are many different types of shareholdings, particularly in relation to private limited companies, and that, in some circumstances, ascertaining a market value for shares can be complex. For that reason, it intends to consider that matter further with a view to revising the guidance on the code of conduct for MSPs to provide more clarity to members on the registration requirements and greater transparency to the public on members’ interests.

In conclusion, although the committee does not consider that there are sufficient grounds to consider that the code of conduct has been breached in relation to the complaint, it reminds all members that they should approach the registration of their financial interests in the spirit of the utmost transparency to ensure that their integrity and propriety cannot be called into question.

Full details of the complaint and the commissioner’s investigation of it will be included in the committee’s report, which will be published later this afternoon.

We will now move into private session.

10:35 Meeting continued in private until 10:41.  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Martin Whitfield

The next group that we will consider is a proposed CPG on maritime and shipbuilding. I welcome Paul Sweeney MSP, who is the proposed convener of the proposed group. Good morning, Paul, and happy new year. I invite you to give a short presentation to the committee about the intentions of the CPG.