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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

I am sorry—I did not mean to talk across you.

10:30  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful.

Sue, do you want to come in?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Explore it. This is a different sort of evidence session—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

There is nothing wrong with seeking clarification. I bring in Rona Mackay.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

There is an interesting dual mandate that we could go into.

Graham Simpson, is there anything that—as an MSP—you would like to contribute or ask the minister?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

It is a dual mandate. We have to think about the time period rather than how it came about.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Let us start with your small question and then we can come to Rona Mackay.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

It is not the councils—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

I have a couple of questions, the first of which is about how close the numbers in the proposed constituencies and regions are to the previous ones. Did you take as your baseline the electorate number back in September, rather than using the numbers from when the current constituencies and regions were set? It seemed to me to make sense to look at the figures that were used in the previous review and to work within 5, 10 or up to 15 per cent of those, rather than taking the baseline of the electorate and saying that, we should have a certain number of people within the constituencies at the end of the process. The change is interesting because it reflects population and demographic movement, but there is also a question about whether you are getting closer to the Venice commission’s proposals for a code along with the four rules.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

I was not suggesting that you do—my apologies if you took it that way. You obviously take account of all the responses that you get. The process is slightly dark, so the public do not see how an individual response can essentially lead to small changes, but it can do, as you said.

Moving forward, one challenge is that the public are the group of people who genuinely need to have confidence in the system—we can use the population or the electorate, and an interesting discussion is to be had about that. Rightly, we are the last Parliament in Europe that still involves itself only to an extent and we step away from the process, and so there must be public confidence that, first, the process is understandable; secondly, they can see what their influence is; and, thirdly, even if the result disagrees with what they want, they understand why it has been reached.

13:45  

You commented on the adversarial nature of inquiries and how everyone shoves the problem on to somebody else, and you are the people who are actually having to do that. Edinburgh is a classic example of just moving it around the wheel, with everyone complaining. The rules for the inquiry process are here, in essence, whereas the four rules and the regional rules sit within the Scotland Act 1998, so they are much harder to change from our point of view.

However, the trigger for an inquiry sits with Boundaries Scotland, does it not? Well, not quite with you, but a more co-operative and solution-focused public inquiry could be looked at, as you say.