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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Sharon Dowey

He was experienced in his role, then.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Sharon Dowey

Was there a reason that he left? Was it for another job? What was the reason for his leaving so soon after the contract was signed?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Sharon Dowey

The accountabilities include ensuring that risks are managed effectively and that procurement guidelines are met, and the requirement to seek written authority from ministers if any action is inconsistent with proper performance of the accountable officer’s functions.

You commented earlier that the job is to deliver on ministers’ wishes. Why would somebody with seven years’ experience not put all that into practice? Numerous concerns have been raised around the contracts. Why would somebody with that amount of experience not get written confirmation from a minister of the decisions that were made?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Sharon Dowey

I find it hard to believe that he did not get that confirmation.

In a letter to the Cabinet Secretary for Infrastructure, Investment and Cities dated 20 August 2015, various issues are raised. Ministerial approval was “sought by ... 27 August”, which is just seven days after the letter was received, because the minister was on holiday. The letter states that the date had

“already been extended for 2 months”

—that was for signing the contracts.

Paragraph 8 states:

“CalMac will not be in a position to fully endorse the shipbuilding documentation by the required deadline”

and that

“further efforts will be undertaken during the detailed design of the vessel by FMEL to address any outstanding points.”

It goes on to highlight issues concerning

“the access of the vessels to the various ports they may serve”

and the

“requirement for modifications at some ports.”

It notes that the vessels are dual fuel, and that

“LNG brings some logistics challenges ... and may require some additional fuelling infrastructure.”

A lot of issues, including infrastructure issues, were being raised, other than just the ferries. Why was there such a last-minute rush to get that signed off? It had already been extended by two months—the minister went on holiday, and it was then given to the cabinet secretary to sign off. Why was there such a last-minute rush? Was it because of the number of issues in the contract?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Sharon Dowey

Good morning. I have some supplementary questions based on those that the convener has asked.

Under the Public Records (Scotland) Act 2011, records must be kept, and someone is responsible for that. Why was that not complied with? The biggest issue seems to be the fact that we do not have enough records to show the decisions that were made.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Sharon Dowey

Was there a communication issue, then? Referring to the minister who you are saying is responsible for signing off the project, you are saying that it would only have been Derek Mackay, who was the minister at the time. There would not have been any other involvement; he had the authority to sign it off. Would there not have been communication between him, Transport Scotland, CMAL and others to get the contract signed? Derek Mackay just goes on holiday, and the project is then passed to Keith Brown to sign off. You are saying that he would not have had any knowledge of that in advance, as it would only have been Derek Mackay who was signing it off.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Sharon Dowey

Was a meeting held involving CMAL, Transport Scotland and the ministers? Did they all come together in a meeting to discuss all the issues that they had?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Sharon Dowey

Are you aware of whether the suggested meeting with CMAL was requested or took place?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects: Accountability and Governance Arrangements

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Sharon Dowey

You said, “If there are lessons to be learned,” Mr Watson. Your submission says:

“Finally, the IIB has a role to ensure that there is reflection and learning taken from new, complex or innovative investments, and that this is effectively shared across portfolios.”

There are many lessons to be learned from the issues that have been raised with the ferries. What have you taken from that, implemented and shared among the portfolios so that it does not happen again? I refer to the likes of recording meetings and ensuring that paperwork does not go missing. What actions have you taken based on what you have heard about the issues in the handling of the ferries contract?

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Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects: Accountability and Governance Arrangements

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Sharon Dowey

Will you tell us more about how you monitor overall progress and what information is provided to you? Once you have given out the plan, what updates do you get?