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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 September 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 24 January 2023

Carol Mochan

I have nothing to declare.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Carol Mochan

It is only fair to ask the cabinet secretary directly about the petitioners’ request for an agency for engagement with service users to find out exactly what his view on that is. I was very interested in the discussion about a rural commissioner. It might be useful to discuss that with the petitioners, as well. What is your view on an agency?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Carol Mochan

My question is about workforce training, which is quite a wide subject. I understand that the cabinet secretary will not be able to answer all aspects of the question, but I am interested in whether NHS Education Scotland has done a lot of work on rural training and clinical places. I am interested in the notion of local places, because I believe that there is sufficient evidence to suggest that, if people can be trained locally and we can get people into those areas, we will be able to retain staff, because the jobs are interesting. There is a wider issue relating to the different professions—AHPs and nurses, for example—but I am interested in what engagement you have had with NHS Education Scotland.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Carol Mochan

Good morning, and thanks for coming to the meeting.

I am very interested in exploring the experiences of people in remote and rural areas, and how they interact with services. The Government often repeats its commitment to and engagement with service users and people with lived experience, but there is a sense from the petition and from other action groups that that engagement does not happen particularly well. Will the cabinet secretary speak a little about how he thinks that that is going? I know that there is a responsibility to do that and that Healthcare Improvement Scotland monitors that. However, how does the cabinet secretary feel that the engagement in relation to the petition has gone in remote and rural areas?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Carol Mochan

May I come back in on social care?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Carol Mochan

When you have had your budget deliberations, have you talked at all about moving towards collective sectoral bargaining? The trade unions say that that one change could make a significant difference to retaining staff, and that would help with budgeting across social care.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Carol Mochan

I have one final question. When you look at your finances and budgets, what consequences do you think there may be from having to fund the introduction of the national care service? How will that affect pay, terms and conditions in the short and slightly longer term?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Carol Mochan

The convener asked some general questions at the start about the allocation of pay in the budget. I would like to drill down into nursing and social care pay.

At the committee on 15 November last year, Colin Poolman of the RCN said:

“Social care pay in the health service is, frankly, upsetting”.

He also said:

“It is no surprise that we have a crisis in the social care workforce as well as in the health workforce.”—[Official Report, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, 15 November 2022; c 11.]

Responding to the cabinet secretary and the First Minister’s briefing yesterday, Mr Poolman said that the RCN’s

“previous warnings have not been listened to.”

He reiterated the point that fair pay is fundamental to the retention of the current workforce and to attracting a workforce for the future. For the sake of the NHS and social care, can the cabinet secretary afford not to listen to the serious and real concerns of nurses, given the number who are turning away from the profession? Does he think that nurses are being unreasonable?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Carol Mochan

What is the key barrier to that? All the evidence that we heard from the trade unions, professional organisations and some of the third sector is that that should be happening. I am unclear what the key barrier is that the Government is finding.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Carol Mochan

I start by saying that pausing the bill would not mean pausing some of the urgent changes that are needed in social care. We have plenty of evidence and quotes from professional organisations, trade unions and third sector organisations that say that we can do a lot now.

My question is on sectoral collective bargaining. Has the Government considered that or had any advice on it, and will you commit to talking to the trade unions now about it? Throughout the evidence sessions—you mentioned it yourself, minister—we have heard that we can sort out the pay, terms and conditions of social work staff, and that that would make the biggest possible difference to provision of the care and support that individuals need in their day-to-day lives.