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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

Good morning, Mr Mackay. Thank you for appearing before the committee.

In his report, the Auditor General identified a major issue in relation to insufficient documentary evidence, which has been a concern for the committee. Subsequent to the report’s publication, there was documentary evidence to suggest that you were responsible, and a release came out to suggest that you were responsible for taking the decision. We now know who took the decision, but we do not know why.

Do you think that there is still some documentary evidence out there that might give us further information as to why the decision was taken, first to announce Ferguson’s as the preferred bidder, and secondly, to award the contract despite the misgivings about a full builders refund guarantee?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

Okay.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

Did you get the impression that the First Minister was actively involved in the negotiations at that stage, or at least was being well briefed about the discussions about reaching the preferred bidder status?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

Who else has a share in that responsibility, would you say?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Craig Hoy

Did you seek an independent QC’s legal advice on that or did you just take the advice of officials?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Craig Hoy

Specifically, he is saying that you sought the authorisation to proceed from ministers.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Craig Hoy

Morag McNeill said that ministers told you that the deal was authorised and that you should proceed. Therefore, you were effectively overruled, were you not?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Craig Hoy

With major infrastructure projects, there are the finances, there is the planning system, and then there is the broader policy dimension. In the past 12 months, we have seen the Green Party come into Government and there is an attitude within the party—I am looking at a headline from a few years ago, which reads:

“Greens launch campaign to stop Sheriffhall spaghetti junction”.

There is a particular quote that stands out, which says:

“Since the 1960s we’ve known that if you build more roads, they fill up with cars. That’s why the proposal to turn Sheriffhall roundabout into a spaghetti junction isn’t an upgrade”.

Is there now a change in policy focus that you think will impede some of these major infrastructure projects, particularly in relation to roads?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Craig Hoy

Is there a risk that we could get an anti-roads agenda coming in? You guys could all be out of a job.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Craig Hoy

Did you ask to see ministers in the closing phases of the negotiation? Did you ask to sit down with ministers and express your concerns to them face to face?