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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Relationships with Public Bodies (Progress Review)

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Craig Hoy

Good morning. Mr Johnston. I have some technical questions on governance and accountability. Bearing in mind that the review is quite technical in nature, they probably follow that theme.

The review notes that portfolio accountable officers are not responsible for the performance of a public body, but it makes it clear that the Scottish Government will work closely with the body and that interventions that cross the normal lines of accountability are possible and are made as a formal decision of the portfolio accountable officer. Are there guidelines and criteria on what would trigger such an intervention? Can you bring to our attention any recent such interventions?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Relationships with Public Bodies (Progress Review)

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Craig Hoy

Recommendation 7 deals with how regular contact between sponsorship teams and boards should be. What do you see as an appropriate level of contact and what form would that take? How can we avoid repeats of situations similar to those involving Bòrd na Gàidhlig and the Crofting Commission?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Relationships with Public Bodies (Progress Review)

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Craig Hoy

Ms MacLean, can you give us an example of that good practice? What things do you typically look for?

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Craig Hoy

Paragraph 71 mentions not only the importance of employability policies in meeting targets but the very long lead time before they have any impact. Mr Boyle, do you have any impression that the Scottish or UK Government is setting in place the long-term employability and employment policies that will help reduce and then eradicate child poverty over a longer cycle?

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Craig Hoy

Finally, the briefing recommends that the Scottish Government should

“set out options and progress actions to meet the ... targets”

and that they be put in place, or certainly developed,

“well in advance ... of 2026.”

Are you sighted on the Government’s action or inaction in relation to that, and can you update us on what has been put in place?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Relationships with Public Bodies (Progress Review)

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Craig Hoy

The framework documents sound pretty integral to the whole process, but paragraph 4.9 of the review described examples of where the roles and responsibilities of both parties are not always understood, and it says that the way in which the Scottish Government works with public bodies in practice does not always follow the expected lines of accountability. What steps can portfolio accountable officers take to ensure that what should be happening is actually happening, and that the document is a living, breathing entity?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Relationships with Public Bodies (Progress Review)

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Craig Hoy

Is there a risk that you are focusing on the bigger organisations, whereas the examples where the wheels have flown off have involved smaller organisations? Are there particular types of intervention that you should deploy in relation to smaller organisations that may be more reliant on boards rather than on civil service staff?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Relationships with Public Bodies (Progress Review)

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Craig Hoy

Recommendation 1 states that portfolio accountable officers should ensure that sponsor teams work with public bodies and their accountable officers to make sure that their roles and responsibilities are as clear as possible. Can you provide an update on the progress that has been made on implementing that recommendation throughout the Scottish Government?

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Craig Hoy

Thank you.

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Craig Hoy

Paragraphs 66 to 69 of the briefing look at whether the targets will be hit or missed and mention “key commentators” who have noted that policy changes will be required in order for the Government to achieve its poverty targets. Can you give a flavour of who those commentators are? I saw that the Fraser of Allander Institute was quoted in the report. What are those commentators’ recommendations on the significant policy changes that might help us to meet those targets?