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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

Why are you being so generous in your approach, when people out there in the real world are thinking that this is not sustainable?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

I have two points of clarification about the policy. Should civil servants be paid for their time travelling to work? Would you countenance that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

For clarification, if somebody is hyper-efficient and can do the work in 20 hours a week, is that all right?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

Good morning. I want to open by touching on the shape, form and function of the civil service. Almost every chief executive I know or have known would, at any point in time, be able to give you an assessment—a snapshot—of the optimal workforce and say whether the number was too high or too low. Why can you not, as the Scottish Government, give us an indication of a figure today for what the optimal number of civil servants would be to discharge their duties?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

I assume that your predecessor left a work-in-progress file with a figure in it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

Okay, that is fine. Scotland has a larger public sector than the rest of the UK, and it is better paid than in the rest of the UK. Public sector workers in Scotland now earn, on average, £2,000 more than those in the private sector. Ten weeks in, what is your assessment of the sustainability of that position?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

You would concede that, if you were to continue in the current direction of travel without significant reform of the public sector workforce, there would be less money for front-line public services in the future.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

I saw those figures, but I looked further back, which it is sometimes wise to do. In 2022-23, when the number peaked, probably because of the refugee crisis, social security and so on, the cost of contingent workers was £51.2 million. The last publicly quoted figure that I could find was £33.73 million. However, in 2019-20, it was £27 million. In effect, the cost is still £10 million more than it was in 2019, yet the Scottish Government is characterising that as a success.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

Would you support using that option as you embark on the process of reform, Mr Griffin?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Craig Hoy

That is great. Thank you.