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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Craig Hoy

In paragraphs 72 and 73 of your briefing, you note that the Scottish Government has set up a new public spending portfolio board and a public spending analytical unit to help to drive the required changes and reforms. Are you confident that those organisations will be effective? Could they just further clutter what is already quite a crowded stage?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Craig Hoy

On the point about the lessons that were learned from Covid, the pandemic precipitated significant changes in the way that certain services were delivered with, for example, drive-through testing and vaccinations and greater use of digital. Are you picking up that those lessons and the capabilities that they could bring to public sector reform are being embraced within and across the public sector?

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Craig Hoy

It strikes me that some of those barriers are going back up again. I see that Bruce Adamson wants to comment.

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Craig Hoy

How would you seek to resolve the tensions that ring fencing creates for local authorities? Would it be through less directed spending?

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Craig Hoy

Mr Johnston, may I hear your reflections on the current financial position and the impact that it might have on delivery of the actions in the second delivery plan to tackle child poverty, particularly in areas such as employability, where there has been a real-terms cut in provision?

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Craig Hoy

I am an MSP for South Scotland.

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Craig Hoy

I will bring in the Auditor General first and then branch out from there.

Auditor General, your briefing says that, overall,

“£3.3 billion was spent on tackling child poverty between 2018/19 and 2021/22”.

By my very basic—and often flawed—maths, that works out at about £3,400 per child who is living in or experiencing poverty. Will you give us some insight into how that money is being tracked? Is the measurement to which Bill Scott referred in the evaluation sufficient, bearing in mind that your briefing says that

“child poverty has not reduced”

and that there is “no evidence”—admittedly, that was at the mid-point when the assessment was made—to suggest that the actions in the delivery plan have reduced child poverty? How is the money tracked and how effectively is it being spent?

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Craig Hoy

No—that was helpful.

In relation to the Scottish Government’s perspective, I note that, when Joe Griffin appeared before us, we discussed the pupil attainment gap and the £1 billion that has been spent on tackling that, but we were left with the impression that he was not sure whether the money had been effective or whether it was spent in a way that would close that gap. Should we have similar concerns in relation to child poverty? It is clear that there is a will to tackle child poverty, but are we likely to repeat the same mistakes by spending the money in a way that is not proving to be as effective as it could be?

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Craig Hoy

I would like to open up the discussion to other stakeholders. There is an issue around the ring fencing of funds for local government, which limits local authorities’ ability to target child poverty in their areas with a laser-like focus, but there is also an issue in relation to the way in which funds are allocated to third sector organisations.

Ryan, will you say a bit about the way in which funds come to you? In a fast-moving situation such as the Covid pandemic or the cost of living crisis, the funds that you apply for are often for specific projects, which limits your ability to spend those funds on other projects. Would more flexibility in how you can spend the funds that you get from Government and other organisations allow you to target your work in a more innovative way?

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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Craig Hoy

Okay. Let us take a helicopter view of the whole issue.

We have a dodgy procurement process that has been described by CMAL as—