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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

In relation to prisons and the Prison Service.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

Is that discussion included in the biannual meetings?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

There is a place for you tomorrow, from 12.00 pm until 2.00 pm, if you would like. We would like you to come.

My final question relates to access to justice. Prisons and hospitals are almost like burning bridges—they need immediate action. My question is about the direction of travel in relation to access to justice and relates to adults with incapacity work, which is the largest case type, by volume, for civil legal aid. Lawyers who provide legal aid work in that area are struggling to make ends meet, and the direction of travel basically means that access to justice for the most vulnerable will be withdrawn because there will be no lawyers, or only a few—they will be like hen’s teeth—who are prepared to do legal work in that area.

On 11 November, on the Scottish Legal News website, Govan Law Centre’s adults with incapacity unit raised serious concerns about the potential wider impact of the proposals to replace detailed fees with block fees. Jan Savage is nodding, so she is aware of that.

Solicitors doing that work are already in short supply, as I said. They believe that the proposals are poor, are being bulldozed through and will exacerbate the existing access to justice issues for the most vulnerable in society.

The lawyers from Govan Law Centre produced a report in which they say:

“increased state intervention, where an adult or those close to them cannot access justice, is unlikely to be compliant with the European Convention on Human Rights. Delays in the current system already have profound consequences for vulnerable individuals and wider society, such as bed-blocking in hospitals.”

What is the EHRC’s role when such alarm bells are sounded and access to justice is being further eroded?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

Before I hand back to the convener, I note that I have raised three issues for your horizon scan, as you call it—and it is good to know that you do that. Those issues are women in prisons, women in hospitals, and the huge issue of adults with incapacity and the legal aid system. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

The chair said in the foreword to the annual report that human rights feel “increasingly precarious”. Can you share with us what developments are behind that statement?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

Thank you. I will talk about hospitals in a minute, but in relation to prisons, have you been consulted, and has your input been requested, in relation to looking at the rights of everybody in hospitals—that is, biological men, biological women and trans people? Have you been approached by the Prison Service for comment or guidance?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

On the care and the human rights of biological men and women and trans prisoners.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

I mean in general.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

You have done some excellent work. Admittedly, you have only been in post for less than a year. There has been some great work on the spotlight reports and in clarifying issues in a complex landscape, so given everything that you are doing, if I were the Prison Service, I would come to you, as an organisation that is independent of Government and the Parliament, to seek your input and advice on a very complex topic. Has the Prison Service sought your advice and input?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

That is a chunk of work in itself.