Chamber and committees

I have a question for Dr Manji and Cathie Russell. Is there a lack of ambition in the implementation of Anne’s law? Are you satisfied with the pace of change?

You have said that palliative and end-of-life care is a big omission, and you have argued that people approaching the end of life are, by far, the biggest single group of people who receive social care. It would be helpful if you could comment further on that.

That is alarming.

My question is for Andy Miller. The SCLD has said that some areas of the bill

“are within the scope for co-design, while other areas are not.”

What areas do you feel are not subject to co-design?

It may have been my interpretation, so that is really helpful; thank you.

No.

I have one question for Fanchea Kelly and Margaret McCarthy. The Scottish Care chief executive, Donald Macaskill, has estimated that 30 to 40 per cent of the country’s residential adult care facilities might close permanently because of the immediate challenges that they face. In your opinion, would the projected £1.3 billion that is earmarked for the national care service be better invested in the local delivery of social care now?

My question is for Sandra MacLeod. In your written submission, you emphasised that

“It is essential that the scrutiny of legislation by Parliament and stakeholders is not diluted by using secondary legislation over primary legislation.”

What would you prefer to see in the bill at this stage? What do you understand as co-design with respect to the bill?

I have two amendments in the group. The main one is amendment 135, which seeks to place a duty on the Scottish ministers to encourage public understanding of not just the act’s provisions but its effects more widely. Amendment 142 requires that the Scottish ministers must prepare and publish a report on how that requirement has been fulfilled,

“no later than 6 months after the day after Royal Assent.”

On amendment 142, during stage 1, we heard evidence that raised question marks over what it means to live in an acquired gender; whether name changes will be required; what it means to make a false declaration; whether GRCs will be recognised by other jurisdictions in the United Kingdom and elsewhere; whether there is a pathway to detransition in the bill; what the bill means for the operation of the Equality Act 2010; and what the bill’s implications will be for single-sex spaces and women and girls. That is just the tip of the iceberg. The number of amendments that have been lodged at stage 2 is indicative of just how little clarity the bill provides on key provisions. One stakeholder described the Scottish Government’s own understanding of the bill as “flawed”.

Of course we seek to improve the bill’s clarity at stage 2, but it remains the case that the public need to understand what the bill will do and will not do once it has been passed; how it will affect people, especially women and girls; how people can use the bill; and what the penalties will be for misuse.

I lodged four amendments in the group. Amendment 143 would create a duty on the Scottish ministers to carry out a review of the operation of the act, focusing on three areas in which we know that its provisions will have an impact—educational establishments, the health system and the criminal justice system. There is potential for unintended consequences in the legislation that we might not be able to foresee at this stage, and reports on those areas every two years would help to facilitate post-legislative scrutiny, which the Scottish Parliament needs to do much more of, especially in relation to the operation of the bill.

Amendment 144 would modify section 15 of the bill to include a duty on the registrar general to report the number of applications each year for a GRC

“where the applicant has previously obtained a gender recognition certificate”.

The Scottish Government has emphasised that the process for detransitioning under the new system will be the same as the process of self-identification, meaning that individuals who seek to detransition will be caught in the data on the generic numbers of applications and GRCs. However, without a specific pathway to detransition in the bill, the challenge is that it will be difficult to capture figures on the people who choose to detransition under the new system, which will make post-legislative scrutiny more difficult.

Section 15, as drafted, creates a new duty on the registrar general to include information about gender recognition alongside the number of births, deaths and marriages in Scotland each year. That provision was drafted by the Scottish Government and it is clearly information that the Scottish Government wants to capture. Amendment 144 would simply modify section 15 to include in the report the annual number of applications made to the registrar general

“where the applicant has previously obtained a gender recognition certificate”.

Amendment 148, which goes hand in hand with amendment 155, would create a duty on Scottish ministers to transparently consult women and girls on how and how often the Scottish Government should report on the impact of the act on that demographic. It would require that regulations be made that set out the details of such a report. For the avoidance of doubt, it would also include a requirement that any data collected for the purposes of a report

“should record the sex as recorded at birth.”

Amendment 148 states that that consultation should take place within six months of royal assent, but the Scottish Government should have started consulting long before the bill becomes law. Women and girls have felt marginalised at every turn during the process. They have been treated as an afterthought; told by Scotland’s First Minister that their concerns about the bill’s proposals are not valid; and vilified on social media for asking legitimate questions about the operation of the act in relation to single-sex spaces and the safety of women and girls. Just last week at this committee, we saw women’s freedom of expression shockingly denied, simply for wearing suffrage colours—the symbol of women’s hard-won rights. I make that point because, in 2018, before the introduction of the bill and the start of public discourse surrounding it, female MSPs from all parties stood together on the steps in the garden lobby, proudly draped in the colours of green, white and purple. We already see the unintended impact of the bill on women and girls and it has not even reached stage 3. That is why amendment 148 is so important.

Crucially, amendment 155 would delay the commencement of section 2 until Scottish ministers have made the regulations that are required to set out plans for reporting on the impact of the operation of the act on women and girls.

I regret that the provisions that I have proposed are necessary. The Scottish Government should have managed the process far better. Nevertheless, I urge the committee to support the amendments.