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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Complex Mesh Surgical Service

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Tess White

Thank you. I hope that we will monitor the situation closely.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Tess White

In its submission to the consultation, COSLA said:

“We do not think that a centralised approach will deliver higher quality social care services. Indeed, we know that there is significant variation across NHS services which continue to face many of the same pressures as those experienced in social care.”

Do you disagree with COSLA? Have you attempted to address COSLA’s concerns about centralisation?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Tess White

Thank you. Is this in relation to the financial memorandum, convener?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Tess White

Fine. I will wait until we get to the financial memorandum.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Tess White

I will ask two questions, if I may, minister.

We have just mentioned the Finance and Public Administration Committee, which asked whether you could get back to it by 12 May with a revised financial memorandum. I understand why you will not be able to do that. However, you have talked about the differences from one region to another in the terms and conditions of social workers. Harmonising those terms and conditions has huge cost implications. I just looked at “The Scottish Approach to Service Design”. It says on page 10 that it is important to be able to define what “good” would look like, so will you be including the cost of harmonising terms and conditions in your consideration at this stage?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Tess White

Okay. Thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Tess White

Okay. I have a follow-up question on that. Do you accept, though, Ms Bell, that those costs could go into billions of pounds?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Tess White

So, you do not know the costs yet.

I will move on to my second question. In October, Michelle Thomson said that the financial memorandum showed that the bill does not represent any value for money at all to the taxpayer. Kenny Gibson added that it was like

“using a sledgehammer to crack a nut”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 25 October 2022; c24.]

Have you taken on board the concerns of your colleagues with regard to the revised financial memorandum and what are you, as the new minister, going to do differently?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Tess White

Minister, you recognise that many people want clarity, and you are working towards consensus, which is commendable. The design principles that the Scottish Government and you are following say that it is important to know what good looks like. However, you would not buy a car or a house if you did not know what it looked like.

Too many stakeholders are nervous about the use of secondary legislation, which is set out by the bill. Scottish Borders Council said:

“We have a concern over the sweeping powers proposed by the draft primary legislation without a clear expression of what is actually being proposed, and the further ability to make further radical but as yet unspecified change to the Health and Social care system. Through secondary legislation.”

I accept that you will have 15 consultations over the summer and through to mid-September, but what are you actually going to do differently to put some “meat on the bones”, to use your words?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Tess White

Okay, thank you.