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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

This is where the rubber hits the road on this issue for the committee. Let us say that we are raising a red flag now. You agree that legal aid is a huge area in relation to access to justice. We are going into human rights budgeting, and this is a case in point. A decision is about to be made, following poor consultation, that is based on finances—block fees basically average out cases and treat people like widgets, not human beings. The solicitors are apoplectic, I would say. They are massively concerned and have come to us and asked whether we can do anything. Can the commission raise red flags? If so, how can we work together—the commission and the committee—and say, “Put the brakes on”?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

Thank you, Jan. We hear you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

I will be talking about hospital care in a minute. This is just about prisons and the Scottish Prison Service.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

Thank you for coming this morning. My question is about the spotlight project on places of detention. It highlights a number of areas of serious concerns, including the widespread use of segregated or solitary confinement and lack of mental health care support for women. What changes, if any, have you seen in response to the findings?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

So, the Prison Service has sought your opinion.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

Thank you.

My second question is about hospitals and the Women’s Rights Network report, “How safe are our Scottish hospitals?” I mention this because it is about humanity and people when they are at their most vulnerable. People are at their most vulnerable in prison—I spoke about prisons—or in hospital.

The report highlighted significant systematic failures in Scottish hospitals, especially mental health wards. That was amplified by the Sunday Post coverage, and there was a parliamentary debate and a round-table event. There is another round table tomorrow, which will include some of the health boards, Health Improvement Scotland and the new Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland, and it will focus on mixed-sex wards.

We are talking about humanity, safety and human rights. I mentioned the report, as well as the Sunday Post article. We had a big debate in the Parliament, framing the issue as both a public health issue and human rights issue. However, the Scottish Human Rights Commission has not touched on the issue. I realise that you cannot boil the ocean, but it is a big issue and has been a big issue this year.

Professor O’Hagan, the SHRC is independent of the Scottish Government and the Parliament. Is the Women’s Rights Network report on your radar and do you think that it should be?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

I hear you and I think that this committee hears you. There are multiple layers to what you have just said, but how can the commission help navigate through that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

I accept your point, but if you look at human rights budgeting—the workshop that you ran was excellent—you say that you almost judge on output. If you look at where spend is taking place, that is politicised. Whoever will be leading the Government after May next year, it is politicised—you cannot detach the two. One could say that it is naive in the extreme to think that you can divorce politics from it. Take, for example, free speech. There is a huge debate going on right now about what is free speech and the right to free speech. I suppose that I hear what you say, and I think that the committee has heard resoundingly what you have said. You are a small but mighty team and have been very effective in the first year, but you do not have enough teeth to mandate anything.

Even when it comes to the absolutely superb, poignant comments about human rights budgeting, it is flaccid. It is not going anywhere because the budget will not change. We will go through a budget round and human rights budgeting is ninth, after paperclips. What guidance or input can you give to us as a committee so that we get something like human rights budgeting right at the front of healthcare or housing?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

Jan Savage would like to add something.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Human Rights, Equalities and Access to Services (Rural Areas)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Tess White

Yes—the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, Neil Gray. You said that your meeting with him had gone very well and that you discussed a number of cross-cutting themes. What cross-cutting themes did you discuss with the cabinet secretary?