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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 September 2026
Maggie Chapman
Good morning, and thank you for joining us this morning. I, too, have some questions on DBI, and I will turn to Brian McInulty first.
There were some really interesting recommendations in the 2023 HMICS review, particularly around the identification of the culture of risk aversion. I am interested in how you see progress on that in the past three years. Have we moved away from a point where police officers feel that, although there is nothing that they can do, they are the only people who can be there? Have we moved to a point where it is recognised that community provision needs to step into that mental health support space?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 September 2026
Maggie Chapman
Thanks very much, convener. I really appreciate that.
Kevin O’Neill, thank you for your contribution. You have already answered one of my questions when you spoke about the evidence that DBI changes outcomes over the longer term, not just in the moment of crisis. That is really helpful. However, are we seeing DBI become a genuinely community-based alternative to crisis intervention, or is it primarily being used once a person has already entered the emergency system?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 September 2026
Maggie Chapman
I have a final question for Alasdair Hay about the consistency of that assessment across the country. Given the desire to reduce the amount of time that officers spend on that, does the SPA have the required evidence to make an assessment about consistency across the country and to know where the gaps are? Where has that culture shift been effective and where has it not been? How do you grapple with the data that you have to hand?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 September 2026
Maggie Chapman
It is a big and difficult question about how to shift the culture in society away from seeing the police as the first point of call when a crisis hits.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 September 2026
Maggie Chapman
I suppose that the big question that I am grappling with is this. What would it take to make 111 community mental health services and other community, or health, responses always the first point of contact? I know that you cannot answer that—I am not asking you to.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 September 2026
Maggie Chapman
I recognise that.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 September 2026
Maggie Chapman
You do not have to provide it now, but if you have information about the postcode lottery or postcode inconsistency, it would be useful for that to be sent to us.
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 September 2026
Maggie Chapman
That example is probably not unfamiliar to members from our casework. We hear that police are called to do a welfare check and that the situation escalates when it should not, because the police should never have been at the door in the first place. There is an issue with the police still being the gateway—I think that DBI suffers from that, too, although maybe “suffers” is not the right word. People still go to the police at the point of crisis.
Within the police and the community and wider support structures, do you see enough conversation about trying to shift that position, so that the police are not the first point of call—and sometimes the only point of call—and are not used as the gateway to mental health services?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 September 2026
Maggie Chapman
I come to my final, very brief, question. We know that some communities are less likely to seek certain types of support. Are you seeing that replicated in DBI? Are certain communities or groups not accessing DBI? Do you collect data on that?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 September 2026
Maggie Chapman
Would you like us to reach a situation in which the police are not, for instance, the people who carry through welfare checks? Is that very clearly your position?