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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

On the first panel, it was suggested that there has never been a thematic review of religious observance in schools, and certainly not recently, although it may well have been done prior to the 1980 act. Would ADES support or consider a review, given what you have said about the removal of the requirement for RO in non-denominational schools?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

From your experience, is there a systematic way of recording withdrawals from RO or RME? Are you aware of schools collating data on that in a standardised way?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

In that small number of schools, or elsewhere, are you aware of any questions or concerns that parents, young people or teachers have observed around the stigmatising or othering of young people if their parents withdraw them?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Okay.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thanks. That is helpful. I will leave it there.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for joining us.

I am interested in exploring a little more about how things work now, and what the bill could do. What do the young people you work with tell you about the right to withdraw from RO and RME—I take the point about their conflation in this bill—and how it currently works? What is your view on that?

Juliet, I will start with you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

That is exactly one of the things that we heard from our witnesses last week—that schools are not necessarily equipped to deal with this. That might be one reason why they do not make too much of an issue of it.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

I will come to Gavin Yates and Louise Church soon. Gina, you talked about the evidence that we have had from children about their experience, and their families’ experiences, of discrimination. Are you aware of any evidence of parents or children worrying about being othered or further stigmatised if they take a position on the issue of withdrawal from RO?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

What do you think, Gavin?

09:45  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Louise. That is really helpful. My final question is to any panel member. You have all said in different ways that we do not have evidence of high numbers of withdrawals in the process as it currently works. That could be because of a lack of awareness, stigmatisation or because not withdrawing is the path of least resistance, to use Gavin Yates’s phrase. Should we be gathering and monitoring data on withdrawals? The approach feels quite piecemeal; there is no requirement to record the number of withdrawals and there is no formal data gathering by local authorities. What are your views on whether we should have a clearer data-driven understanding of this? Alternatively, does data not have a role in something like this?