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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Is it fair to say that, as chief operating officer, you provided leadership of the university’s strategic development and efficient and effective management?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Is it fair to suggest that the directors whom you managed or oversaw should also have been expected to provide leadership with regard to the efficient and effective management of the university and its resources?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

I was also going to ask specific questions around procurement breaches. Would you be able to answer them? For example, I have a question on the use of the EAB Global strategic consultancy, and why you went with that, rather than with others. It was a breach of the Public Contracts (Scotland) Regulations 2015, because the project was not put out to tender and just went to EAB Global.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

My final question might be for you all, but I will start with Amanda Millar, as she touched on the issue earlier.

It is very apparent in all of this that there is a lot of upset and hurt on campus. Staff and students are worried, and you have all expressed your sorrow and regret at that. There might be no single point of failure, and no single individual thing that could, and should, have happened differently. However, given that we are where we are with the University of Dundee, what would you say to anybody in the current and future university executive group and court when it comes to asking questions and the things that you wished that you had done two, three, four or 10 years ago?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

As far as you can recall, there was no discussion about the reputational consequences of that at court or in any of the court committees.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Were skills mapping exercises done for court members on more than one occasion, or was that done just at the start of a new academic year? Were such mapping exercises done at all, to your knowledge?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Were you of the view that court members had what they needed to understand the papers that were presented to them when the papers were presented to them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

But, as far as you were aware, there was no specific recognition in the sense of saying, “We need this expertise on court. We don’t currently have it and we don’t have a vacancy, therefore we need to upskill the members who are there.”

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Amanda Millar, is that your recollection?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Given that you cannot recall specific issues being raised around gaps in your understanding or ability to assess risk, how did we get to a position where the risks that we have spent the past four hours talking about were not identified sooner? How were those forecasting issues not turned into risks?

If it is not about the people around the table not having the skills and expertise, and if it is not about not having the knowledge and the facts in front of you, what has gone wrong? We have had on-going conversations about governance restructuring in higher education forever. How can we ensure that we do not find ourselves in the same position, in which forecasts are not turned into risks and are not acted on, risks are not assessed effectively, and the mitigation actions coming from those assessments are not actually developed, never mind followed up?