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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

I might pick up on some of those points again in a little while, but I want to follow up on the point about the sense of community. How do you respond to what we have heard from DUSA that students are concerned about the impact that they see that all this is having on the people who are teaching them, supporting them, making sure that the labs work, and so on? What would you say to DUSA, either directly or indirectly through us?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

I want to go back to the issue of the university engaging with staff and building and sustaining relationships with them. What is your understanding of fair work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

So, will there be a £50,000 grant and a £12,000 loan?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Okay. My final question comes back to the point of culture. You have talked about the personal and professional trauma that staff have gone through. UCU told us that around 70 per cent of staff who completed the survey are seeking support for poor mental health. We have heard that critical views are being silenced through acts of intimidation, including being identified publicly, that decisions continue to be made behind closed doors and that proper procedures are not always followed.

Those are just some examples, but there are more. I think that staff feel gaslit sometimes, quite frankly, but I know that that is not your intention. We have heard fine words in response to questions from Pam Duncan-Glancy and others today. How are you going to turn that around? It seems that we need to move beyond fine words about what we want in the university community—dignity, humanity and trust—but the question is, how do we do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

People who have raised issues are being picked on or identified so that they could be picked on. They now feel more vulnerable than they did before.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thank you very much, convener. Before I start, I put on record my entry in the register of members’ interests as rector of Dundee university and, therefore, a member of court. I will keep my questions within territory that does not overlap with that interest.

Good afternoon, and thank you both for your contributions so far. We have heard about a range of topics, and I want to pick up on a couple of different areas, the first of which is finance. I do not know whether this question is best directed at Lee Hamill in the first instance, but I note that you have talked about the areas where you can cut costs—capital investment, operating costs and staff—and have not really talked that much about income generation. What conversations have you had within the university community about income generation that is not about international student numbers, bank loans or money from the Scottish Government?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Sorry—yes. I left off three zeros there.

Are you able to provide updated student numbers? Everyone has gone through matriculation, and my understanding is that the numbers are better than expected or are not as bad as projected.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Okay. My follow-on question, which I appreciate you might not be able to answer, concerns what role the unions had in the discussions around the creation of that statement. I ask that because, at a meeting to discuss the fair work statement, union representatives pushed back and challenged it, because it did not refer to the Gillies report and the clear recommendations therein, and did not mention the need to improve relationships with the trade unions. However, those discussions have been ignored—those points have not been incorporated into the statement or into the recommendations that flow from that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Okay—thank you. I could go on, but I will not.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

That would be helpful.

My next question about numbers is on job losses. Nigel Seaton spoke earlier about the total difference in staff numbers being 275. The numbers that I have been able to get, looking across the past 15 months or so, show that, in August 2024, there were 4,367 staff and that, after the voluntary severance scheme this year, there were 3,698 staff, which is a change of 669. I appreciate that some of those staff will have been part time, so the headcount does not equal FTE posts. It would be helpful if the committee could get clarity—not necessarily now, but in the coming days—on that detail. What role will the more than 200 unfilled vacancies play in the figure of 669, or in the way that you describe or define the 275 figure?