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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Maggie Chapman

Does anyone else want to bring in any other mechanisms? I understand the challenge and that you do not want to be responsible for a cut to funding, but what other levers or sticks do we have to ensure that management follows the principles that it is supposed to follow?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Maggie Chapman

This is my last question on this. What important preparatory work needs to be done between now and April 2027 to make sure that, when the principles come in, everybody knows what they are, and they are ready to implement, record and monitor them? Other than proper engagement with the unions, what would be your wishes in this space?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Maggie Chapman

I appreciate that I have had quite a lot of time already, but I would like to pick up on some of the points about the Gillies review.

We have spoken about organisational culture and issues of governance and financial management. If an organisational culture is wrong, all the money you want and the best governance structures will not actually lead to outcomes. The Gillies report highlighted that governance frameworks were fit for purpose but that institutions failed to operate them effectively.

My last question is on culture and value. What are universities for? How do we make sure that the value of education is seen as the core principle that drives everybody, from the very top of the university right through the staff structures and students? How do we ensure that the value of education is what matters? Without that key point from Gillies, we are basically just talking round the houses about the issues. A couple of you have said that we will be back here in three or four years’ time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Maggie Chapman

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Maggie Chapman

I have a couple of follow-up questions on the fair work principles. You have talked about the challenges of implementing the existing principles, never mind the rest when they come in in April next year. Is there a role for the Scottish Funding Council to make funding conditional on proper implementation of the fair work principles? Do you see that as one of the levers or mechanisms to ensure that management takes the principles seriously?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Maggie Chapman

So, there is something there about changing the nature of the engagement entirely. Are there any other comments?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Maggie Chapman

Thank you, convener. Before I start, I remind colleagues of my entry in the register of members’ interests, as I am rector of the University of Dundee. I also send my solidarity to UCU members who are on strike at the University of Dundee today.

My first chunk of questions is about the student experience and the impact of all the uncertainty and culture change on them. Students often have to bear the consequences of cuts and mismanagement, but they are excluded from decision making. Can each of you give us a flavour of the direct impact on students of course closures, loss of staff and rising staff workloads? Are those impacts on students being accounted for or measured in any way? I will start with Dan Cutts.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Maggie Chapman

So, staff still want to deliver and are delivering a positive student experience, but it comes at a cost to their personal, physical, and emotional wellbeing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Maggie Chapman

A couple of you have mentioned engagement with the student associations. In your view, how does university management treat the students? Are they given fair opportunities to engage in decision making in the governance structures? I know that there are formal positions for student reps in the court and so on, but are the students actually listened to?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Maggie Chapman

That point was worth highlighting so thank you for that.