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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Hearing Care (Age-related Hearing Loss)

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

It is good to hear that the Government is still committed to community audiology. Can the minister give a timescale for when that change will start to happen?

Getting access to the service initially is only one issue; the follow-up is also missing. I speak to many people who have NHS hearing aids, but they never go back to get them checked. That is something else that we are missing out on.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Hearing Care (Age-related Hearing Loss)

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I congratulate my colleague Sharon Dowey on securing the debate, although I feel that it is a debate that we should not be having. We should not be in the situation that we are in now.

The system that we have in place is cruel. Audiology is in crisis. Imagine saying to an elderly person, “I’m sorry, but we’re not going to be able to see you for two years.” We in the chamber can all recognise how inhumane that would be, but the waiting times in NHS Grampian, for example, show that people are having to wait for two years before they get an assessment and then wait longer to get a hearing aid.

As Christine Grahame points out, all that leads to social isolation and links to dementia. There is also an impact on family and community settings. I imagine that people can only say “Pardon?” once or twice before they withdraw from engaging in conversation altogether. The issue should be looked at as soon as possible.

The answer is clear and has been accepted by all: we need to get people out of a hospital setting. Ninety-four per cent of people with hearing loss have uncomplicated adult-onset hearing loss that is suitable for community treatment. At present, those patients compete for the limited capacity that is available to treat children and adults with sudden onset hearing loss and specified comorbidities, who have to be treated in hospital.

There is absolutely a need for intensive audiology in major hospital settings, but the specialists involved should be reserved for the 6 per cent of cases that involve traumatic hearing loss or child hearing loss from birth. However, just now, so much of that resource is being spent on people who should be not in a hospital setting but in community settings instead.

As Sharon Dowey pointed out, we already have a solution in our communities. Companies such as Specsavers, which I visited on Friday—I even had a hearing test done—already provide that service. As we have said, we already do community eye care so, surely, we should just replicate that for hearing.

A couple of months back, I met Neil Gray and Jenni Minto, and the issue was one thing that I spoke to them about, because I had raised questions on it. I thank them for that time.

NHS Grampian would be an ideal place for a pilot on community audiology. There are huge waiting times and a real need for something to be done. I urge the Government to take on the seriousness and urgency of the issue and move with pace, because we are talking about mainly elderly people who might be reaching the end of their lives. We need to look after them and make sure that they can communicate with everyone else as much as possible.

17:51  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Okay.

Cabinet secretary, how do the regulations ensure that there is a good distribution of return points, especially in rural areas and on the islands?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

So, will people get money back or, as you just mentioned, a voucher?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

We do not know that yet.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Do you think that that is long enough?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

So there will be no special status for it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I am just trying to ask the question. If somebody goes to some hospitality place—a cafe, for example—and buys a can of Coke, they will have to take it with them if they want to get their money back. Is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

You will have to take all the empties.