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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I guess that it is about checking whether the instructions flowing from the main contractor down to subcontractors were clear.

I turn to my next question. The threshold for liability for senior responsible officials of an organisation is one of consent or connivance. The committee has heard views that consent, connivance or neglect would be preferable. Do you have views on that? Maybe we can go to Clare Moran first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Could we do that by beefing up our existing laws as opposed to introducing a new law?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Yes—at least I did, but I have lost my place because I was listening intently.

The committee has been considering whether the bill will have a deterrent effect on individual and corporate behaviours and avoid instances of severe environmental damage. Are you aware of any evidence on how businesses or organisations have changed what they are doing because ecocide laws have been introduced? I will go to Ricardo first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Rachel Killean, do you have any more information about how the ecocide law is working in France? How many successful prosecutions have there been? Have organisations made any changes because of the threat of breaching ecocide laws?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Douglas Lumsden

You mentioned one investigation taking place in France. Have there been any prosecutions so far? When they introduced the law, was it replacing an existing law or was it an addition to what they already had?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Do we need the Acorn project in place before we can produce SAF?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Douglas Lumsden

That links to my next question. The bill does not explicitly set out that undertaking licensed or consented activities cannot constitute ecocide or provide a defence along those lines. That has raised concerns among different sectors, including farming, fishing and renewables. Is the approach in the bill appropriate? What implications might it have for SEPA and NatureScot, as bodies that are actively involved in consenting and permitting?

Perhaps we can hear from Dr Mitchell, as he raised that issue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Douglas Lumsden

In my questions, I will continue to ask about project willow, which the deputy convener raised with you. There are two SAF projects in project willow. One is about first-generation SAF—the HEFA one—and the other is about third-generation SAF. Should we still be pursuing the first-generation project, especially when we look at the mandates that are coming forward? That is almost like a bridge to other fuels in the future. Is it still feasible to have that project within project willow?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Douglas Lumsden

We spoke about responsibilities flowing down. You are responsible for licensing and consenting, so are you in danger of committing ecocide if you permit too many things? Could the responsibility then go back up to SEPA or even to the Scottish Government?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I put the same question on finances to Dr Mitchell. Does the figure cover what you might have to do?