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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Let us say that the organisation was based in the United States. How would a 20-year penalty that had been imposed on a US company be enforced? Would there have to be an agreement to get the individual back to a court in Scotland? How would it work?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Jonnie, when it comes to farming, is it clear who would be enforcing the law?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

If SEPA is already struggling for resource, how will giving it extra powers help?

If no one has an answer to that, I will ask one other question. I am trying to understand what would happen if an incident happened in Scotland but the organisation’s headquarters was in Carlisle, for example. How would the proposed ecocide law work if the organisation was headquartered somewhere else?

Perhaps Jamie Whittle could give us a Law Society of Scotland view. How would that be handled?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Elspeth Macdonald mentioned the unintended consequences of the bill. Do you fear that environmental non-governmental organisations will rush to the police to use the bill to outlaw some forms of legitimate, legal and justifiable fishing or farming?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Jonnie Hall, do you share that fear?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Climate change is obviously a global issue that needs a global response. How might the impacts of climate change globally affect life in Scotland? Will we still get our tea from India and our oranges from Spain, for example? How will it affect everyday life in Scotland? Andrew Russell, do you want to come in first? We are just trying to understand what climate change might mean in the future for people here.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Does anybody else want to comment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Yes, a little bit.

I will also go back to the point that Kevin Stewart made about the trust that people have in the whole process. We spoke about the potential benefits of moving to net zero, but do people understand the potential costs when it comes to insulating their home or changing their heating or vehicle? Are people aware, and do they accept, that that will have to come at a cost? Is there enough detail in the carbon budgets on the costs going forward?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Will the energy strategy be introduced at the same time as the plan?