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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Douglas Lumsden
At this point, do we have any idea what those costs will be?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Douglas Lumsden
Asset costs have been mentioned. You said that those could vary across boards, depending on whether they own the assets.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Douglas Lumsden
From my time in a local authority, I remember a private care home going into administration. The local authority had to step in and buy that asset, because there were residents with complex needs who had to be cared for. In the future, it would be the national care service that would have to step in and provide that service and buy the asset if it was felt that that was the right thing to do.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Douglas Lumsden
The Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, as the voice of local authorities, has been vocal in committee in saying that there are many unknowns for its members. They will be going into the budget-setting process in the next few months. When will they have a bit of clarity, or at least start to get some?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Douglas Lumsden
Could you not have those standards and quality as things are now?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Douglas Lumsden
I asked the bill team about that earlier. There is a political will for a national care service to happen, so it will happen in some form, but we do not yet know what that will be. What is local government’s preference? Would it be to transfer the 75,000 jobs and all assets to the Scottish Government, or to be providers to the national care service, so that you maintain the assets and most of the staff but the statutory duty as the provider of last resort has gone to the Scottish Government? Some people might think that that is a good thing. What is your preference for how that would shape up?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Douglas Lumsden
Therefore, you would, potentially, still have the boards that the Government seems intent on having, and those would commission services—perhaps from the IJBs or other places—and still set the quality and consistency that you talk about as well.
11:30Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Douglas Lumsden
Three councils use ALEOs to provide care: Glasgow City Council, Aberdeen City Council and Scottish Borders Council. Has any work been done on the impact on those ALEOs? If local authorities no longer had a statutory duty to provide care, could they still have an ALEO that provided that service? What would be the impact?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Douglas Lumsden
I will come back to VAT, which is a big risk. In the worst-case scenario, how much are we talking about?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Douglas Lumsden
That leads me to my next point. There will be a choice for local authorities, because the statutory duty will move away from them on to the Scottish Government. As Mr Mason said, provision often costs more than local authorities actually take in, and local authorities could, if they wish, say, “Well, we don’t want to provide this service any more—over to you, national care service; you can buy this building if you want.” Would that be right?