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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

That would be good, but would we not get full assurance if a proper investigation were to be done into the decision making on the contract?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

A full investigation would bring all those things together; it would show what has happened and what has gone wrong, and it would show the lessons learned and improvements that have been made so that the committee can be assured that everything is well.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

We appreciate your coming to the committee, of course. However, from our point of view, Leslie Evans was still employed and had relevant experience from which the committee could have learned, but she did not come.

We talk about openness and transparency, but there are missing records from Ferguson’s, questions about guarantees and legalities at Lochaber, Leslie Evans refusing to come to the committee, and the Scottish Information Commissioner ruling that the Scottish Government is withholding legal information that it could provide. Do you accept that there is a perception that, when it comes to openness and transparency, something is wrong that needs to be fixed quickly?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

From what you have read so far, what do you think are the key challenges that the Scottish economy faces at present?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I will be quick, because of the time. On the missing records related to the Ferguson Marine contract, how can we be assured that lessons have been learned and improvements made when it comes to record keeping and recording decisions correctly?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I will move on. I have another question about Leslie Evans. She retired at the end of the year, but was paid until the end of March. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

It is my understanding that she was paid until the end of March. Is that correct? I am only trying to get my head around what she was doing that meant that she could not appear before the committee, because she was still an employee.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

We all should and could work together on the bill. From the consultation, it is clear that the public supports changes to the legislation. However, the way in which the devolved SNP Government is going about its business is a disgrace. Suspending standing orders to rush the debate through shows complete contempt for the Parliament. The standing orders are in place to ensure good governance and to allow us to follow a proper process. Maybe the minister will take the opportunity, when summing up, to apologise to civil servants who had to work over a bank holiday weekend to prepare reports and so on in order to rush things through for absolutely no apparent reason.

There are many potential unintended consequences of the bill, many of which are discussed in the committee’s report, and that is why it should not be rushed. Rushed legislation will lead to bad legislation, and that will take up more time in the long run. The Government needs to take the time that it needs to get it right first time, because the bill has more holes than a sieve.

However, I point out that we agree on so much. Every year, our communities are blighted by antisocial behaviour with regard to fireworks. The greatest impact is probably on our much-loved pets and animals; I see many reports in the local press and on social media about the impact that fireworks can have and the distress that they can cause. It is right that the Government takes action to curb the use of fireworks and to regulate their sale more effectively, but it is not right to overturn the parliamentary process in order to do so.?

It is clear that the public supports restrictions on the sale of fireworks, with 94 per cent of those who responded to the consultation agreeing on more controls over their sale. Many called for a full ban, but I feel that more consultation with retailers and suppliers would have to happen before legislation went any further.

One constituent in my North East Scotland region, Norman Donald, who is the owner of NJE Fireworks Displays, said:

“There’s nothing in the Bill that addresses the misuse of fireworks ... All it is doing is punishing businesses, putting them out of business, and punishing law abiding citizens who’ve enjoyed fireworks in their gardens for years.”

He went on to say:

“If the public can only buy them for that length of time”—

as specified in the bill—

“then it’s going to encourage hoarding and stockpiling which is going to be very, very dangerous.”

The Government must act on the storage of fireworks to prevent that potentially dangerous practice.

Mr Donald also raised legitimate concerns that the use of illegal and unsafe fireworks may become more widespread, which could have a devastating impact.

We need a measured approach in the legislation to ensure that we tackle antisocial behaviour while protecting the livelihoods of those who depend on the industry. That includes people such as Norman Donald, who has been professionally involved in the industry for his whole life, with his business providing a livelihood for him and his family. That cannot simply be taken away from him with no compensation at all.

There has not been nearly enough time between the committee report on the bill and the stage 1 debate to allow us to consider the implications. To legislate in haste will mean repenting at leisure, and businesses will face the brunt of this rushed legislation. The timetable was also condemned by the committee, which concluded:

“This Bill is being scrutinised to an expedited timetable, to meet the Scottish Government’s wish that it be passed before summer recess only in order to bring in the provisions on proxy purchasing and prohibiting the possession of certain pyrotechnic articles in advance of November 2022. The lack of detail, data and evidence has hindered our ability to fully scrutinise some of the key proposals and we therefore have substantive reservations about their workability and effectiveness.”?

That is not the Opposition speaking, but the committee itself.

The bill is rushed, and I ask the Scottish Government to reconsider the timetable to ensure that we get it right for everyone, including events companies, producers, the public and anyone who enjoys fireworks, as well as animal welfare people and our pets.?

We are willing to work with the Government on the issue, but not in this rushed way. In order to develop proposals that work and that we would all wish to support, I ask the minister again today if the Government will withdraw the bill at this time, allow the adequate time that is required for parliamentary scrutiny and meet with Opposition parties to discuss a way forward on which we can all agree.

16:18  

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Will the minister explain a bit more about compensation? Will that recur annually or will it be a one-off payment?