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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Yes, but the take is going up by 20 per cent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Douglas Lumsden

You have spoken about things such as digitisation and reducing the estate. Do you not accept that many local authorities have been doing that over the past four years? Therefore, for that to be set out as a way for those bodies to save money is actually quite insulting to them, because they have been doing it already.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Douglas Lumsden

You said earlier that you are not cutting the budget for enterprise but cutting duplication instead. Will you give us some examples of duplication within the enterprise budget?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Yes, you are not dictating the figures in terms of head count, but you are holding the purse strings in relation to the amount to be spent on pay. That means that you are really dictating head count in all areas, are you not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Are they on board with a reduction in their budget? That would be unusual for any organisation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Douglas Lumsden

That ties into another issue. In the medium-term financial strategy, there is little mention of the national performance framework. Is that truly embedded right through this document?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Douglas Lumsden

It is just that I struggle to see the transparency around that £620 million. I do not understand how you can approve it, almost, or say that it is okay, if you do not know what is going to be in it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Could that figure have been higher at the start of the year? For example, if I was to say that we should spend another £50 million on child poverty, I would have to say where that money was going to come from. At any time, could I just say that that £620 million could be made into £670 million? Is there a flexibility for that to go up, just like the other forecasts?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Douglas Lumsden

In three years’ time, when it goes up by another 10 per cent, will that be around revaluation time, or might there be something else happening?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I struggle to see where the head count efficiencies—let us not call them reductions—will come from, given that they are not going to come from the NHS and you have already said that ELC expansion will continue, so there are new nursery teachers that we cannot get rid of suddenly. Where is the axe going to fall, cabinet secretary?