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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I thought that the whole idea was to provide consistency across Scotland. If different boards are doing things differently, we lose that consistency.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

We might potentially still have a postcode lottery, in which the kind of service that someone receives depends on where they live.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Following on from your mention of the local governance review, has there been any more work on that? You are right that, if social care is no longer under local government’s responsibility, there would be a huge impact on that review.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

It was interesting to hear from the bill team that there will still be inconsistencies, between rural and urban settings. It was not going to be uniform across Scotland anyway, so my thinking is that it would be a case of changing from 32 different set-ups to perhaps five or six—I do not know how many boards there will be. We will see as we go forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Will that figure come back to the committee?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Another issue that I want to raise is information technology costs, which was touched on by Michelle Thomson. It is mentioned in the financial memorandum that a key aspect of the bill is to

“enable the creation of the nationally-consistent, integrated and accessible electronic social care and health record.”

We understand that the detailed costs of that cannot be provided yet, but the FM does not even give an indication of what those costs will be.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

At this point, do we have any idea what those costs will be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Asset costs have been mentioned. You said that those could vary across boards, depending on whether they own the assets.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

From my time in a local authority, I remember a private care home going into administration. The local authority had to step in and buy that asset, because there were residents with complex needs who had to be cared for. In the future, it would be the national care service that would have to step in and provide that service and buy the asset if it was felt that that was the right thing to do.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

The Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, as the voice of local authorities, has been vocal in committee in saying that there are many unknowns for its members. They will be going into the budget-setting process in the next few months. When will they have a bit of clarity, or at least start to get some?