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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I thought that the whole idea was to provide consistency across Scotland. If different boards are doing things differently, we lose that consistency.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

We might potentially still have a postcode lottery, in which the kind of service that someone receives depends on where they live.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Following on from your mention of the local governance review, has there been any more work on that? You are right that, if social care is no longer under local government’s responsibility, there would be a huge impact on that review.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

It was interesting to hear from the bill team that there will still be inconsistencies, between rural and urban settings. It was not going to be uniform across Scotland anyway, so my thinking is that it would be a case of changing from 32 different set-ups to perhaps five or six—I do not know how many boards there will be. We will see as we go forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

That is good to know.

My last question is about the national care service. You have said that we are in really difficult financial times just now, so is that an area that you are you perhaps looking at again? Is it the right time to introduce that extra layer? The committee hears a lot of evidence from people who say that it could add an extra layer of bureaucracy and that perhaps now is not the right time to do it. Is it something that you would consider delaying or something that you definitely want to push ahead with?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I guess that it is a case of little snippets here and there, as opposed to a big-bang approach of total change to the landscape, so to speak.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Deputy First Minister, I want to come back to investment zones. It sounds like you are not fundamentally against them but you need to see a lot more detail and description from the UK Government. Is that a fair analysis?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

That is good to hear. There are a lot of similarities between investment zones and freeports, I imagine. Has the Scottish Government done much work on freeports and their costs, and on whether the model might lead to displacement or new growth?