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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I know that the bill process is at an early stage but, given that the NHS would be a key partner in delivering a national care service, surely there have been some discussions to enable the Government to get to the point that it is at now. Has that not been the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

From the written submissions and what you have said, there seem to be a number of risks. We have heard about transition costs, the number of boards and a doubling of the running costs, as well as uncertainty on VAT, pensions, staff numbers, scope, impact on the third sector, IT systems, records and training. We have already covered a huge number of unknowns. How do we keep track of them and know what the costs will be to mitigate some of those risks? Can you think of any other unknowns that should be added to my list?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

So there is not yet one place where all the risks have been written down so that we can all see them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

You do not have a lot of staff sitting around waiting for the co-design and engagement process to happen. What will have to be cut for that process to take place?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Do you expect additional budget to come your way so that you can take part in the co-design and engagement process?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I imagine that the piece of work that is coming the NHS’s way will not be insignificant.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I have a question for Mark Taylor. Even at this early stage, do you feel that all the risks have been accurately identified and quantified? I am thinking of things such as VAT, over which we still have large question marks. Do you feel that enough work has been done on that, so that we can understand its impact?

Meeting of the Parliament

Low Income and Debt (Report)

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

The member misses the point completely. What we want is a society in which people do not rely on welfare but have the jobs and opportunities to progress. The best way to tackle poverty is by providing good education, getting people into well-paid employment and growing our economy. We want the Scottish Government to commit to develop schemes that provide employment for people. We want it to tackle the root cause of poverty and to focus on growing the economy, to provide the opportunity that our people deserve.

I again thank all the organisations that gave the committee such moving evidence about the people with whom they work and the stories that those people told. We face a difficult time. Many households are fearful of the future and are wondering how they will pay their bills and meet their financial commitments.

The Government should be doing all that it can to address those needs, but instead we get empty promises and diversion politics. The Government blames someone else while saying that there is nothing that it can do.

We believe that there is much more that the Scottish Government can do, including delivering on some of its promises of the past. We want to see a fair funding settlement for local authorities, so that they can deliver the help and services that are required in our communities. We want to see free school meals delivered, not only promised; debt services funded properly; economic growth and employment at the heart of Government policy—

Meeting of the Parliament

Low Income and Debt (Report)

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Will the member take an intervention?

Meeting of the Parliament

Low Income and Debt (Report)

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

—and an increased focus from the Government on the day job. The people of Scotland deserve a Government that thinks about their needs rather than stokes division and grievance.

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