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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

What are other countries doing when it comes to SAF production? We mentioned Europe, but what about China and the US? From our papers, I can see that we import a huge amount of used cooking oil from China. Does China not require that for its own SAF production? What are other countries doing in that area?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you. I have one other question. Earlier, we took evidence about Grangemouth and looked at e-fertilisers. One problem that was identified was that green hydrogen production is too expensive at present. In France, where they have a lot of nuclear, they produce hydrogen at a much lower cost than we do. When we are looking to produce e-fuels in future, will it be a problem for us that our costs will be too high because our hydrogen production is currently too expensive?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Does anybody else want to comment on the costs?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

So, with 100 per cent SAF, we are looking at an increase of 3 to 12 percentage points.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Will the bill produce the policies that we need to stimulate both demand for and supply of SAF?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

As you said, it is expensive in the short term. Is the bill a way of getting that money to invest to bridge that gap?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Yes. I want to pick up on the point that the cost of a flight from London to Dubai could increase by 3 to 12 percentage points. That seems a huge range. Is there a reason why it is so big? Also, would the SAF percentage be 1 per cent or 3 per cent? What mixture of SAF and normal jet fuel would give rise to a cost increase of 3 to 12 percentage points?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Are we talking about giving up some agricultural land that we use for food production and changing it to SAF production?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

At present, green hydrogen production is too expensive, which means that things such as e-fuels are too expensive. We cannot compete with other countries, such as France, which uses excess nuclear power to produce hydrogen at a cheaper cost.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

As you say, SAF is a commodity that can be imported. If you are an airline, you may be mandated to use 3 per cent SAF; if you can import it cheaper than using home-grown SAF, so to speak, would you not do that instead?