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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

My last question is around social security spend. We have seen that go up from about £3.6 billion in 2021-22, and it will be doubling by 2027-28. Behind that, there are two things. Inflation is obviously pushing the welfare bill up, but there are also new welfare commitments that are not matched, which do not come through in the block grant adjustment. How much is the spend on each of those? If we never had these new commitments, what would the social security bill be going forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I guess, therefore, that it is not so much a case of divergence, because you are predicting that the two figures are coming closer again. A difference of 0.6 per cent does not sound like too much of a big number. If the OBR revised its figure up to 2.6 per cent growth and the two figures came together, what would that do to our income tax take, or to the BGAs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

However, for the past five years, we have been lagging behind the earnings relative to the rest of the UK—

Meeting of the Parliament

Dewars Centre

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

As Murdo Fraser mentioned in his contribution, the Scottish Government received Barnett consequentials as a result of the UK Government announcing extra funding for swimming pools in England. Will that money be passed on to our local authorities so that sports facilities such as Bucksburn swimming pool in Aberdeen can be saved?

Meeting of the Parliament

Dewars Centre

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Will the minister give way?

Meeting of the Parliament

Dewars Centre

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

What the minister does not seem to understand is that we are talking about additional funding after the block grant allocation, so it should not have been allocated to something else. It was additional, so it could have been moved to local authorities to save our local sports facilities.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

No, but I think that Garry McEwan was about to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

We have heard about automation and data. One of the aims of the Scottish Government is to get the head count back to pre-Covid levels. Some of that will be through automation and better use of data and some of that will come from sharing services. From many of the submissions, we have seen that the head count is going in the wrong direction—it is going up. Do you have the resources required to make those changes in order to reduce the head count in the future?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

David Page’s point that the whole point of reform is to reduce cost and duplication is key. The organisations around the table probably all have a human resources director, a finance director and an IT director, so the key question is: would you reduce your head count and voluntarily put people into a central pool or would that have to be mandated? I still do not know what the answer is, from listening to everyone today.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Do you see that as being a central pool of people that the Government would use to put out to bodies to see how they could change or reform their services?