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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I will move on to public sector reform. You mentioned that you are working on an overall picture of what the public sector landscape will look like. When do we expect to see that? I imagine that it will be key for setting the budget in years to come.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

You mentioned public bodies working better together. Will they do that voluntarily, or do you think that that has to be mandated? The evidence that we have heard is that it is possible to get proper, big reform only when it is mandated centrally.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

All the examples that you gave are of bodies becoming more efficient in themselves and working better but still operating within their silo, although that might not be the best word to use. I am talking about how we get bodies to work better together across the board—that includes, for example, getting local authorities to work better with health boards and integration joint boards. Will that have to be mandated in future?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Do you think that the bodies concerned will do that voluntarily or will it have to be mandated? That is the key thing that I am trying to understand.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Oh! Thank you, convener—you took me by surprise.

Cabinet secretary, you mentioned earlier in response to questions from Liz Smith that the employment rate went down slightly. From what I can see, it went down by 1.8 percentage points, which is not a slight drop—it is a huge drop, in relative terms. What impact will that have on the tax net position that flows through? It looks as though the net position will be positive, but with a drop such as that, what changes might there be to the position?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

How will you address that economic inactivity?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Yes, but it is £3,437 million by 2026-27.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

You mentioned prevention earlier and seemed to suggest that you would like to do more on that but do not have the resources of people or cash to make that switch.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Absolutely. You mentioned 60 beds being removed. You are looking to reduce supplemental staffing support by half, which by my calculation would be 475 full-time equivalent positions. How can you do that without impacting on patient care, especially when waiting times are already increasing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

When is the next milestone? When will the OBR publish its next estimates?