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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Earlier, cabinet secretary, you said that a DRS for cans and plastic but not glass is better than no DRS at all. What has changed between now and June 2023, when you could have proceeded with a DRS with just cans and plastic? You might then have saved a lot of money on Circularity Scotland and also the court case that I think that Biffa is now taking against the Scottish Government.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

You could have had that in June 2023.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

We have heard that the deposit level—we do not know what it will be yet—could be different for different sizes of containers. Is that right, cabinet secretary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I admit that, at the start of today, I was not planning on contributing to this debate, but, as the morning has gone on, it seems that more and more unknowns about the scheme have been discussed, and they probably need to be addressed.

We have heard that there has been no consultation on the changes to the previous Scottish scheme that had been proposed, even though the changes are quite considerable.

I am glad that officials managed to step in and clarify some of the points about closed-loop premises, but there are still some questions about that. I asked about Murrayfield because I am not sure whether it will be allowed to be classed as a closed-loop premises, as it has wanted to be in the past. I still think that there are question marks about that.

We do not know what the deposit level will be. At one point, 20p was mentioned, but the level is still to be set. There could be different prices for different sizes of containers. We also do not know what the handling fees or charges will be.

Just now, there are too many unknowns. I would like to see a lot more information before the regulations are approved.

As I said, what has changed since June 2023? At that point, the Scottish Government did not feel that it was appropriate to have a scheme without glass, but it does now. I am being accused of having a brass neck for asking that question, but, as committee members, we should be asking such questions, because we need to know, fundamentally, whether the scheme will work. Two years ago, the Scottish Government thought that such a scheme would not work, but it now thinks that it can work.

There are too many unanswered questions so, for that reason, I am not in a position to vote for the regulations today.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I will be brief, but I want to respond to the cabinet secretary’s comment that I am not in favour of the scheme. That is not my position. My position is that, given that there is so much information that we do not have just now, it is too difficult to say whether I am in favour of the scheme. I will leave it there.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

If you go to a cafe and buy a round of drinks, you will not be able to get the money back from that hospitality place any more.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Okay. We will stay with local communities. When the committee was looking to take evidence on the bill, we wrote to some community groups. Several of the responses to our call for views argued that recent consultations on electricity-related developments were simply box-ticking exercises and that the views of many respondents are routinely ignored.

The submission by Scotland Against Spin said:

“No opposition to the proposed changes will be forthcoming from Holyrood, whatever the responses to this latest consultation. In those circumstances, we are not going to waste our time making the same arguments that have already been ignored once and which will no doubt be ignored again.”

What is your response to that? Is it not a sign that we are not taking people with us?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Cabinet secretary, if it is such a great thing for communities, how come all the community groups that we wrote to about it are saying, “We will not take part because we are not being listened to”? It is not developers that are not listening to them; it is the Scottish Government. That is why they have real concerns. You may want to go down a path of earlier engagement and everything else, but this is what the community groups are telling us. Why are you not addressing that point? Why do they feel ignored at every opportunity by the Scottish Government?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

When projects are off the grid, does that mean that there are no contracts for difference or anything?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I want to pick up on something that we asked about last week. You have said that most of our ammonia is now imported, but we heard last week that the price of e-ammonia would be a lot more expensive than importing ammonia, so how would we force somebody to pay a higher price for e-ammonia instead? I know that we should be getting the price down, but that will not happen initially.