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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

That is fine.

Concerns have been raised that the establishment of a commissioner could be a drain on resource—in essence, it could be a substitution. Would we be better off spending the money on direct services or interventions rather than a commissioner? Did that come through in some of the evidence that you took?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

Ms MacMillan, we are trying to draw out broader lessons from your report at the outset of our inquiry. The discussion has been useful so far. It is clear that you are saying that there is a lack of coherence across the landscape—that comes through quite strongly in your report. Is that a fair comment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

You then went about the process of having structured interviews—conversations with a limited number of people. However, it is probably fair to say that it is quite difficult to come up with a broader framework based on that evaluation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

I hear you on that.

Through the inquiry, my committee colleagues and I are going to be quite concerned about outcomes and, as politicians, we will be trying to understand how the commissioner landscape best provides better outcomes for specific groups of people and for the broader population. You have said that the purpose of your research was not to evaluate outcomes, but you stated that the evidence that you gathered indicated scepticism from different parts of communities in relation to the proposal that having a commissioner would lead to better outcomes. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

I am keen to get observations from this work on the causality and the relationship with better outcomes. It is almost about the theory of change, if I could put it that way. There is the idea of having a commissioner, as understood by the people you spoke to, and the idea that it might produce better outcomes. I am asking you to comment not on the outcomes, but on the theory of change in terms of a person being appointed and the idea that things might get better.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

Page 6 of your report mentions the “accountability gap”. What is meant by that phrase?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

I will close with a question on the process of establishing a commissioner. You were almost a participant in that, in that you provided the background research on the idea that the Government department was approaching.

I was intrigued by the quote on page 9 of your report, which says that correspondents felt that

“the campaign for a commissioner had been done to their communities, not with them.”

That is evidence that you have taken and it probably speaks to some of the concerns that the committee expressed at the outset about the policy-making process of establishing a commissioner. Is it a politician’s idea or a third sector idea, rather than something that is based in the community of people that the commissioner is meant to be serving?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

I thank the witnesses for the really useful discussion so far. Given all that you have said and the content of the report, do you still believe that the 2030 target is credible?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

You say in the report that meeting the 2030 target

“would require technologies and other changes to be more advanced than set out in any of the CCC’s pathway scenarios to reach net zero”.

Just for clarity, are you saying that those technologies are not sufficiently advanced and that it is going to cost more money to do things with existing technologies?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

Just in closing, I would say that your observations on interoperability and the reliance on a collaborative approach between the UK and Scottish Governments, not least with regard to the fiscal trajectory that the country has to follow to meet these challenges, are absolutely right, but do you feel that institutions outside the fiscal framework are reflecting the same concerns? Do you think that ministers and senior civil servants are having these discussions about the scale of the challenge and how, between the devolved institutions and Whitehall, it might be met?