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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Michael Marra

I understand the technical need for people such as freedom of information commissioners and standards commissioners to oversee Governments and politicians. It is absolutely right and necessary that those people keep an eye on politicians. However, if this is about influence, will there be a conflict in the power structure if we ask politicians to do something and we have lobbyists being held to account on their lobbying? Will that improve outcomes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Michael Marra

My understanding is that there was a significant revision to the process around the time of the Creative Scotland Bill and that additional gateways were introduced. I am keen to understand whether the process has changed since then. It would be useful if that information could be provided.

There is a recurring theme for the committee. We have at least four financial memorandums in front of us that are deeply inadequate and that do not seem to have been properly signed off or scrutinised by Government. As part of our stewardship of the public finances, the committee is keen to understand why that continually happens. Do you have any observations about that recurring theme?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Michael Marra

At what level in the civil service would the financial memorandum be signed off?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Michael Marra

That would be both in the policy department—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Michael Marra

Indeed: prior to stage 1, as the convener has clarified. Is that not a better precedent, so that we could deal with some of the issues that Liz Smith raises?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Michael Marra

In what areas have there been improved outcomes? I put that question to the children’s commissioner last week. We see increasing levels of child poverty, declining educational attainment and a mental health crisis among young people. The children’s commissioner has been around for 21 years, but I am not sure that I have seen evidence of improved outcomes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Michael Marra

What level is that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michael Marra

The creation of commissioners is a process where the Parliament hands over some of its own responsibilities to independent individuals. I was struck by a quote in the submission from the Law Society of Scotland, which said:

“Whilst it can be argued that Commissioners in Scotland are therefore an offshoot of, and for, the Parliament their role may create questions about accountability and the extent to which the appointment and scrutiny of Commissioners is democratic.”

Do you think that your roles are democratic and sufficiently so? May we start with David Hamilton?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michael Marra

Okay. The three people who have contributed so far are in roles that are about accountability, but also about distance from the Parliament. You hold roles that are, in essence, watching the watchers, if you want to put it like that. Scrutiny of politics and politicians is part of what you do, in terms of your function. Is it right that you are accountable to the Parliament on that basis, or should there be a more direct line of accountability? Mr Hamilton has probably already answered the question, but he can have another go if he wants.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Michael Marra

Ian Bruce, you are called a commissioner but what you do is distinct from whatever the children’s commissioner does. In a technical sense, do you see that difference?