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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

That is not what the cabinet secretary said; she told the Social Justice and Social Security Committee that the fund had

“run its course as a concept.”

It was as though she was saying that it was a failed concept, so there was not a choice. Is that your view? Did the parental employability support fund fail as a concept?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

Yesterday, the First Minister made a speech about the economy and the different choices that he would want to make. He said that if he could marshal £2 billion of capital funding annually—£20 billion over 10 years—he could deliver growth levels similar to those that China experienced in the 1990s. Professor Bell, do you think that that is realistic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

The point about college infrastructure is a strong one. We could draw a contrast with the university sector, which has the ability to raise finance. Over the longer term, the Scottish Government has drawn the college sector much closer to it. The Government’s regulations and the way that the sector is run result in less flexibility in raising money.

To come back on the convener’s point, I do not think that there has to be a zero-sum game in that regard. There might be alternatives for the college sector to look at different forms of revenue raising and flexibility in the way that it works. We should not just be saying that the overall capital budget should be cut.

Essentially, it comes down to a class issue. Many people who go to colleges are from lower-working-class backgrounds and they have a much poorer experience, in terms of the physical environment, than people who go to university. Traditionally, those people are from more affluent backgrounds, and they are in brand-new buildings. Over the past decade, there has been huge investment in universities across the country, but colleges have not replicated that. There is a fundamental unfairness in that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

I will stick with the issue of the public sector workforce. I am interested in how Government policy informs what you have done and the numbers that you have produced. The resource spending review, which was a major piece of work back in May 2022, said that the Government would aim to return the total size of the devolved public sector workforce to around pre-Covid levels by 2026-27.

We were promised that there would be more detail about that in last year’s budget, but John Swinney did not provide that and said that it was up to public bodies to do so. On 16 May, I asked the permanent secretary about the status of that policy, but he said:

“I do not think that that has been publicly stated”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 16 May 2023; c 36.]

He did not know what the status of that was. On 13 June, Shona Robison told this committee that it was

“A bit of a blunt tool”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 13 June 2023; c 27.]

and said that she was abandoning RSR, but, in recent days, we have heard much more language about a big decrease in the public sector workforce. What is your understanding of Scottish Government policy and how has it informed your predictions and assumptions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

When would that be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

You have worked back on the basis of that. You made an assumption and calculated a figure based on it.

What assumption have you made about the size of the public sector workforce as a result of the budget constraints and using that number of 3 per cent?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

Is that about 7,000?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

It feels pretty major. You have not taken account of a policy objective in any of that. Previously, the Scottish Government set out a policy objective in the resource spending review. It is your understanding that that has been abandoned. In essence, you have had some media reports, so you have just gone with your assumptions on the numbers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

The budget for economic and scientific advice, published yesterday, has almost doubled in two years. Do you get a cut of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

Does that represent an increasing cost for the Scottish Government for that advice? In some respects, this takes us back to our previous conversation about budget scrutiny. I just wonder about your budget and the flex that you need to do your work.