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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Michael Marra

Were all local authorities asked? We have 32 local authorities in Scotland. You are saying that they were asked whether they wanted to bid for enterprise zones and they said that they did not want to. I made a freedom of information request for all correspondence on this, and I did not see any evidence that local authorities were asked whether they wanted to have a bidding process or an investment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michael Marra

Does that account for between £4 million and £5 million of the £28.5 million—roughly 1,200 to 1,300 students—as that bubble in student placements runs through the system? Using the same metrics, I reckon that the £28.5 million equates to about 3,800 student places. Is that the number of places that you are asking universities to cut?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michael Marra

That comes at the same time as a collapse in the west African market, with Nigerian students, in particular, not coming to the UK. As a result, this is a difficult and challenging time for all universities in Scotland, and there has been a double hit to the budget.

Your budget equality statement states that there is a significant risk to learners from poorer backgrounds as a result of the measure that you have taken. Would you care to explain what that significant risk is?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michael Marra

You are speaking to the issue of the quantum, but I am asking when colleges will know what their budget is.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michael Marra

So you reject the term “shambles”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michael Marra

All those areas—regeneration funding, university funding and college funding—are vital for skills and regeneration, and for growth. The committee has heard an awful lot of evidence about how important it is that we get growth, and you have said that the budget is about growth. How do you react to the evidence that the committee heard from the Fraser of Allander Institute representative on 9 January, who said:

“I would not say that the budget is particularly focused on growth”?

On the same day, David Bell said:

“it does not look like the budget particularly favours economic growth.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 9 January 2024; c 9, 10.]

Growth is meant to be one of the key missions. I have given a variety of examples where you are not meeting your own targets or what you intend to do, and people do not believe that you are meeting them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michael Marra

We had evidence from the Scottish Fiscal Commission on the lack of a public pay policy being provided to it under the protocol to which the Government and the SFC are signatories. You and I have exchanged letters on that issue. Perhaps you could set out to the committee why the Government failed, despite extensions to deadlines, to provide that public pay policy to the SFC, as has been set out in the evidence that we received.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michael Marra

That is in your equality statement, which was published with the budget. You have said—under your name—that there is a significant risk to learners from poorer backgrounds as a result of the cut that you have made. What is that significant risk, as you understand it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michael Marra

Non-research-intensive universities are more reliant on the teaching grant than research-intensive universities are, so the modern universities are more reliant on the money that you are cutting. You cannot tell us today, however, how the cut will be distributed across those universities.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Michael Marra

The position has been described to me not as “normal” or “usual”, Dr Cumming, but as “a shambles”. Far less information is available to the college sector this year than in previous years. As you will understand, budgets are set, courses are advertised and people apply. Those applications are coming in, but colleges do not know whether they can run the courses, because they do not know what their budget is.

College leaders have also said to me that the current situation is “soul-destroying” and that they are “staring into the abyss”—that there is no direction, no leadership, no clarity, no empathy, no solutions and no clue. Deputy First Minister, what would you say to college leaders who tell MSPs that that is the situation?