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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I think that that is illustrative of a lack of transparency, but I will leave it at that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

A letter from Ernst & Young to this committee refers to a report from Shepherd and Wedderburn that, I am led to believe, is about your departure. Is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I am not really sure that I do, to be honest. You are claiming some form of legal protection—or some obligation rather than a protection—but I would like to know why you think that you left the university’s employment. Do you accept the rationale for your sacking?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

You do not. Okay.

We might hear a little more about the Shepherd and Wedderburn report, which I asked to have provided to the committee. I know that the convener asked the university to provide that and that the university has taken legal advice on it.

I put the same point to Peter Fotheringham. Your departure from the university has been described to me by various people as the first clear external indication of the turmoil that was going on behind the scenes. Did you leave because things were getting so bad?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Why did you leave?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Dr McGeorge and Mr Fotheringham, you have both mentioned the longer-term challenge that the university faced. There was a cycle of financial problems—certainly not at the level of the existential crisis that the university faces at the moment, but for a long period of time. I am interested in the strategic posture of the university. What was it trying to achieve? Dr McGeorge, what do you think the university was trying to do? Where was it trying to go during the past couple of years?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

The target that was expressed was to be a £500 million turnover organisation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Would you say, Mr Fotheringham, that the drive for growth at that level was a significant mismatch between the underlying structural problems of the institution and what was achievable?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I hear that, but you were the person with sight of the accounts. You have come to the committee today and said that the University of Dundee had a long-term challenge in this area. As much as you say that, as an institution, you needed that growth, was it not particularly exposed to the risks of that at the same time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Aspiration is one thing. The Gillies report describes it as “hubris” on the part of the institution, particularly regarding the role of the principal. In the annual report, published in July 2025, he said:

“The year covered in this annual report has been one of consolidation, achievement and continuing recovery from the challenges of the pandemic, and of an institution blooming in the face of considerable ... headwinds.”

That was entirely untrue when he said it in 2025. Is that not right?